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Posted by: Glax0r Feb 2 2010, 08:24 PM

Pacquiao on Floyd: Not angry, just disappointed

abs-cbnNEWS.com | 02/02/2010 11:24 PM

MANILA, Philippines – Seven-time world champion Manny Pacquiao is not mad but disappointed over Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s recent statement blaming him for their scuttled March 13 fight.

"I'm not angry at Floyd," Pacquiao told LATimes.com. "I just feel disappointed in his allegations."

Pacquiao is currently in the thick of preparations for his title defense against Ghanian Joshua Clottey.

The Filipino boxer said that despite the failed negotiations between his camp and Mayweather's, he still wants the fight.

Pacquiao, however, said he is not sure if the other side shares the same thought.

"I can fight him," said the boxing icon from General Santos City. "I'm just not sure he ever really wanted the fight."

His coach, Freddie Roach, also wanted the fight to finally settle who’s the better boxer between the two pound-for-pound greats.

But Roach said the only thing that stops the dream fight from becoming a reality is Mayweather’s blood-testing procedure. And this he cannot accept.

"If we had given in on the blood testing, it would have been like giving Mayweather the first round. Why would we do that?” asked the Hall of Fame trainer.

"Manny hates needles. He said that's what cost him the first [Erik] Morales fight [March 2005]. We made a mistake on that one… Manny said it made him weak for three days,” explained Roach.

Pacquiao currently holds World Boxing Organization (WBO) welterweight crown, which he will defend against a true welterweight in Clottey.

Roach says the Pacquiao-Clottey bout might even turn out to be better for fans than a Pacquiao vs Mayweather.

"Clottey comes forward and it could become a war," he said.

Posted by: mbase1235 Feb 3 2010, 12:42 AM

Same excuses - this is getting tired. At least they dropped the "Mayweather is scared" routine, now that he's fighting Mosley.

Posted by: Stxwolf Feb 3 2010, 12:44 AM

Yeah, it's amazing how well people responded to Mayweather actualy fighting a top welterweight.

Posted by: turbotime Feb 3 2010, 12:50 AM

I thought it was the winning gloves and the un-Nike brand socks that did Pac in during the first Morales fight?

Posted by: mannyp4p1 Feb 3 2010, 12:50 AM

excuses are like assholes, everyones got 1.

pacs not angry, hes dissapointed, HES SCARED.

Posted by: Stxwolf Feb 3 2010, 12:51 AM

Nah, he's already been in with a couple of fighters who are much, much more dangerous than Floyd.

Posted by: mbase1235 Feb 3 2010, 12:52 AM

Agreed, and its about time. I've been waiting for Mayweather-Mosley for years! I'm a boxing fan, I like seeing all these cats fight, but I want to see the best fight the best. Floyd-Shane is way overdue. That said, the fact that Floyd appears to have accepted the fight with Mosley has silenced quite a few critics, and if he wins I'm sure we will hear the 'got old overnight' line for Shane. But both Pac and PBF have dangerous fights, but I think that Mayweather is taking the much bigger risk. I don't think Pac would ever fight Shane. Or I should say that Roach would not let him fight Shane, unless Floyd really makes Shane look bad, then Pac would fight him.

I'm going with Floyd based on skills and intelligence, and I think Clottey should find a way to lose again, although I'm hoping we see seriously competitive fights in both cases.

Posted by: mannyp4p1 Feb 3 2010, 12:54 AM

hes been in the ring with a few people floyd already beat, cotto he fought at a catchweight. Floyd is better than anyone Pac has faced so far.

Posted by: turbotime Feb 3 2010, 12:56 AM

Like who? Mayweather would've beaten the Marquez, Morales, and Barrera that Pac fought, too. He would've made Pacquiao look like a fool at 130, too.

Posted by: Stxwolf Feb 3 2010, 01:00 AM

I said more dangerous, not necessarily better. Cotto is much more dangerous than Mayweather.

Why would Pacquiao be scared of a very defensive fighter who is not known as being heavy-handed?

Posted by: Lord Humongous Feb 3 2010, 01:03 AM

He's not scared, he just knows he can't compete at 147 w/o PEDs.

Posted by: Lord Humongous Feb 3 2010, 01:04 AM

because he doesn't want to get outpointed and lose. especially before the election.

Posted by: Stxwolf Feb 3 2010, 01:04 AM

I didn't mean, better, I meant "dangerous." Cotto's hands are a lot heavier than Mayweather's are and he's more aggresive offensively.

Put it this way, if the same guy has to fight Cotto one week and Floyd the next, chances are he's going to be more beat up by Cotto, even if Floyd beats him more convincingly.

Posted by: TOBYLEE1 Feb 3 2010, 01:14 AM

If he wanted the fight so bad he should had taken the test. He has all these tattoos and now he is afraid of needles. 40 million dollars is a lot of money if you ask me. Even before the negotiations the Pac camp was already complaining about that is was gonna be difficult to negotiate with Floyd. It is just patetic

Posted by: wrath57 Feb 3 2010, 01:14 AM

Seriously. When an athlete refused drug testing. That is a complete indication of performance enhancing drugs being used!!!! Why would you turn down the potential to make approx $40 million over a test.

I honestly think Pac may go down like Mark Mcgwire, Bonds or Vargas.

Posted by: turbotime Feb 3 2010, 01:15 AM

Are Cotto's hands that much heavier? He couldn't dent Pacquiao, he couldn't dent Margarito and he hit him at will. Couldn't move Mosley. Took him 11 rounds of beating on Zab to get him out of there, including cheap shots. Pacquiao is just as aggressive as Cotto and Cotto has nowhere near the countering abilities as Floyd does. I'd be more worried about walking into Floyd's traps then Cotto's.

Posted by: mannyp4p1 Feb 3 2010, 01:15 AM

not the cotto that pac fought.

thats what im trying to figure out, he scared of something because if he wasnt this fight would have been made already. all roach has been saying for the past year is pac will k0 floyd easily, hes the easiest person to beat, hes 1 dimensional. if that really were the case why did pac walk away from the fight, ohh yea hes upset that floyd wants him tested, lol if your clean take the tests and fight 1 dimensional floyd already, pac vs floyd is the biggest money fight out there, and the easiest fight out there according to roach, what is the logic in walking away from a 40$million fight with a fighter you think is 1 dimensional and the easiest to beat, Right?

Posted by: Stxwolf Feb 3 2010, 01:16 AM

Just because you can't fathom a reason why does not mean there can't be one.

Put it this way, $40 million to you and $40 million to Pacquiao mean far different things, in all likleyhood.

Posted by: Stxwolf Feb 3 2010, 01:17 AM

Nonsense. Cotto still had all his power and did a pretty good job working over Pac's head before he wilted.


Cotto looked great going into that fight. I even picked him to win.

Posted by: mos-def Feb 3 2010, 01:20 AM

At least we're hearing Pac and Roach still want the fight, but again we heard that thruout the negotiations. I guess it still gives me hope. I disagree with Roach about doing the testing is like giving the 1st round to FMJ. In fights like this with 2 very big stars, they already have to negotiate all frivolous (to me) shit like who walks out last and who's name will be announced last. Pac could have negotiated all this. However, when they step in the ring and the bell rings, its up to each fighter who gets the 1st round and each to follow. They shouldve just taken the 14 days window becus when FMJ wins the title from SSM and already has his testing in place I dont know what he'll have to negotiate unless FMJ just throws him a bone.

Posted by: mannyp4p1 Feb 3 2010, 01:23 AM

Pac ate everything Cotto landed. No way tho, cotto was clearly not the same fighter when he fought pac, coming in at 145 didnt help either.

Posted by: The Puncher Feb 3 2010, 01:26 AM

Its a good thing that Roach and Pac are saying they still wanted the fight to materialize since it may indicate that they may agree with that 14 days cut-off. On the otherhand, it was already a buzz that Floyd and Shane have already signed the contract and the official announcement will be made in the coming days. But all of sudden GBP issues a statement saying Floyd has not yet signed the contract.

Posted by: Stxwolf Feb 3 2010, 01:31 AM

Pac can eat anything Floyd throws as well.

Anyway, all I can do is hit you with reason and truth. If you choose not to accept it, that's up to you.

Posted by: mannyp4p1 Feb 3 2010, 01:37 AM

why doesnt he prove it then? cuz he is scared

lemme hit you with some truth right quick, team pac after almost a year of talking shit about how floyd is the easiest guy out there to beat walked away from fighting him.



if you choose not to accept this, thats up to you.

Posted by: mos-def Feb 3 2010, 01:39 AM

I just read that, but I'm not worried. Trust me, despite what most may say about FMJ not caring about this and that, FMJ knows he has to take this fight. He's also been on satelite radio announcing his fight with SSM is on. There is no way he can save face for this fight falling apart after the Pac fiasco, even if u side with his views on the testing.

Posted by: Stxwolf Feb 3 2010, 01:45 AM

Actually, Roach has repeatedly said Floyd was the toughest fight out there.

Don't worry, man, I'll keep correcting you until you know the facts.

Posted by: mannyp4p1 Feb 3 2010, 01:52 AM

and roach has also repeatedly said that floyd is the easiest fight out there, pac will k0 him easily, floyds 1 dimensional, he said all of that prior to negotiations with pac and floyd. but hey it doesnt matter if roach thinks floyd is good or bad, they pussied out of fighting him and thats the bottom line.

Posted by: Stxwolf Feb 3 2010, 01:53 AM

Nope, they just refused to let Floyd change the rules of the sport on a whim.

Posted by: turbotime Feb 3 2010, 02:07 AM

Refusing to let Floyd change the rules on the whim would mean a hard NO to any new testing, BUT they agreed to it. The cutoff date was the key problem - Pac must've wanted a test he could beat.

Posted by: Stxwolf Feb 3 2010, 02:10 AM

Or, he could just not feel comfortable testing any closer to fight night due to the way he says blood testing makes him feel.

Simple fact is none of us really know.

Posted by: fourtheboys96 Feb 3 2010, 02:35 AM

mayweather would have . . . .

pacman already did.....

Posted by: adicto Feb 3 2010, 03:28 AM

with or without PED's?

Posted by: rahmit47 Feb 3 2010, 04:04 AM

That liar Roach.He did everything he needed to do to keep his BOY from getting the ass whipping he knew would happen

Posted by: rahmit47 Feb 3 2010, 04:17 AM

You have to be a fool or retarded not to see thru Roaches bullsquirt.This bullsquirt about needles and being weakened are obvious ploys to avoid the ass whipping that massa knew his boy would take fom Mayweather. That gimp never wanted the fight to happen and he made sure his boy took the que with his silly excuses

Posted by: 60425 Feb 3 2010, 04:20 AM

only one was more dangerous in cotto but were any of them better?

Posted by: 60425 Feb 3 2010, 04:21 AM

stop with that gimp $hit b-4 karma kicks your a$$!

Posted by: grkthug99 Feb 3 2010, 04:24 AM

Dangerous yes , But as skilled ? Absolutely not .

Posted by: Stxwolf Feb 3 2010, 04:25 AM

JMM when he was at super feather was a helluva fighter. Maybe better than Floyd, but I couldn't say for sure.

Posted by: 60425 Feb 3 2010, 04:32 AM

dude if you think jmm was better at 130 than young floyd out the 96' games you're just fodder on this site!

Posted by: grkthug99 Feb 3 2010, 05:10 AM

STX come on bro , I was really starting to like you and you say this shit ? At 130 Floyd wouldve STOPPED JMM . He was his BEST at that weight . More explosive,elusive,powerful I mean he was something unreal at that weight class .

Posted by: Stxwolf Feb 3 2010, 05:37 AM

No, I'm saying JMM of early 2008 was a very skilled fighter at 135 who tested himself against the best.

Floyd of 2008 was retired and hadn't tested himself against the elites of the division he inhabbited.

Posted by: Stxwolf Feb 3 2010, 05:45 AM

Y'all are misunderstanding what I was trying to say, which generally means I didn't say it right. '

I think the JMM of2008 was perhaps as dangerous or as good as the welterweight version of Mayweather.

I felt that was JMM at the very peak of his ability. As a fighter he had fought John, Barrera and Casamayor as well as Pacquiao twice. He tested his abilities against a higher class of opponent in his weight class than Floyd has at welter. In my opinion, of course.

Posted by: boxerman3000 Feb 3 2010, 06:20 AM

both of you guys are right!! freddy roach talks outta both sides of his neck. One second mayweather is an easy fight, the next second, he's saying oh mayweather is tough and were going to need to game-plan and blah blah...mayweather never watches tapes of fighters..so take that as you take it..BUT...the bigger issue i have is everybody is always killing mayweather for being cocky or arrogant, or disrespecting his opponent, while freddy roach always comes out predicting a knock-out or saying Hatton wasn't very good, and now Clottey isn't a really good fighter and Pacman should knock him out in the later rounds..Where is this mystery humbleness we so often hear about from Pacman and his team? These guys are very smart, it;'s very Cloak and dagger with them, and i'm starting to see behind the cloak. I posed this question to Vivek Wallace who writes for Eastside boxing.com It was the 40 million dollar question, and now i've seen Oscar come out asking it. Why would Pacman rather defend his honor in a court-room rather than cleanly and fairly inside the ring? Hmmm when something smells fishy..it usually is, and no Pacman vindicator can anwser that honestly...

Posted by: mannyp4p1 Feb 3 2010, 07:02 AM

freddie roach talks out of his ass most of the time, ill give it to him he pretty much called the DLH, hatton, and cotto fights, but hes a dumbass always saying one thing then saying the opposite. first he is okay with blood testing and then he is not, and he talks all this shyt how floyd is so easy to k0 they will go up to 147 to do it then they want a catchweight, roach is a poptart, hes hard on the outside but soft on the inside

Posted by: mannyp4p1 Feb 3 2010, 07:02 AM

[quote=boxerman3000,Feb 3 2010, 06:20 AM]
both of you guys are right!! freddy roach talks outta both sides of his neck. One second mayweather is an easy fight, the next second, he's saying oh mayweather is tough and were going to need to game-plan and blah blah...mayweather never watches tapes of fighters..so take that as you take it..BUT...the bigger issue i have is everybody is always killing mayweather for being cocky or arrogant, or disrespecting his opponent, while freddy roach always comes out predicting a knock-out or saying Hatton wasn't very good, and now Clottey isn't a really good fighter and Pacman should knock him out in the later rounds..Where is this mystery humbleness we so often hear about from Pacman and his team? These guys are very smart, it;'s very Cloak and dagger with them, and i'm starting to see behind the cloak. I posed this question to Vivek Wallace who writes for Eastside boxing.com It was the 40 million dollar question, and now i've seen Oscar come out asking it. Why would Pacman rather defend his honor in a court-room rat

Posted by: antking Feb 3 2010, 11:34 PM

That's right! Hundreds of needle pokes for tattoos, but none for 40,000,000.00+?????
I'd said all along even before the fight was proposed, that MANNY/ROACH was going to find a way to avoid fighting FLOYD, while making it look like it was FLOYD was docking the fight.

The political faction of MANNY's camp added to the confusion and caused ROACH.MANNY to further avoid the FLOYD fight. They chose instead, the man that their latest victim had already beaten; a fella who practically promises, and knows how to lose.

In either case, I'm glad MOSLEY, the more deserving fighter, is getting the fight he long craved and deserves, even as he remained in the back-round while his boss and former victim went after glory, and lost. That is ODH.

Posted by: Stxwolf Feb 4 2010, 12:11 AM

background. not back-round.

Posted by: brain228 Feb 4 2010, 12:19 AM

Mayweather is afraid that is why he is fighting Shane and not Pac.

Posted by: cnobis Feb 4 2010, 12:20 AM

Posted by: jkd Feb 4 2010, 02:25 AM

Chance™

Posted by: mbase1235 Feb 4 2010, 03:39 AM

Now that photoshop job is hilarious bro! Great job!

Posted by: mbase1235 Feb 4 2010, 03:41 AM

You CANNOT be serious? Manny is afraid to fight Shane. Or at least Manny's people want no part of him. Shane offered to cut off his leg and all Roach could say was "You're not Cotto".

Posted by: jkd Feb 4 2010, 03:42 AM

Don't thank me , Thank Pimp C

I couldn't photoshop if my life depended on it.

Posted by: mbase1235 Feb 4 2010, 03:44 AM

Well, thanks for posting it, it made my day, along with Mayweather finally signing.

Posted by: rayajr Feb 4 2010, 03:48 AM

@ sig

Posted by: mbase1235 Feb 4 2010, 03:53 AM

What I really dig about the sig is all the roid users in line behind Pac. I am laughing so hard, this is really making my stomach hurt.

Posted by: simba Feb 4 2010, 12:14 PM

That still needs to be proven. We'll see.

Posted by: sugafoot79 Feb 5 2010, 02:48 AM

i have to throw in my 2 cents. i said this during and after the margarito fight. Cotto will never be the same. Margarito beat the career out of cotto that night. Don't see how in any way Pac walked away from the mayweather fight. a needle? be real.

Posted by: Stxwolf Feb 5 2010, 02:52 AM

Actually, I think it has lot more to do with principle than a needle.

Posted by: JayFee Feb 5 2010, 03:49 AM

Good luck getting that concept through the floydiacs. Hard to think rationally with Floyd's nutz constantly teabagging them.

Posted by: dillyyo Feb 5 2010, 03:03 PM

Principle is an easy out when it could mean your whole career being a wash. Politicians and corrupt people in general use principle as an out because it's an easy save face. Fact is if Pac cared about his legacy and the principle of being the best and fighting for his countrymen then he would take the test, no? Coming from and representing a country where illegal drug use is treated rather harshly and severely frowned upon one would think that standing for the principle of proving he is a clean fighter would hold the highest priority.

Maybe Pac isn't what he really says he is because it's seems like his selfish pride is taking precedence over his purported principle of fighting for his countrymen and their honor.

Posted by: mbase1235 Feb 5 2010, 05:13 PM

Yep, I agree 100%. If you are really doing it for the people (and for God) then your own self-interests, fears, whatever would be trumped. Pac, with his I only want to make the people happy rhetoric flies in the face of his actions, threatening to pull out of fights when opponents don't bow to his demands for catch-weights, purse splits, type of glove, etc. He talks like a humble man, but his actions tell an entirely different story.

Both Pacquiao and Mayweather know that the entire boxing world plus some wanted to see this fight. Now we know that Floyd could care less about what the people want, and it appears that Pac, while he may not be as bad as Floyd, certainly thinks about himself first. I always wondered what would have happened if Cotto had just stood his ground and said "you are not fighting for my title unless the weight limit is 147". Would Pac have just walked away? Like Manny threatened to walk away from both DLH and Hatton over money? What does demanding money, demanding catch-weights and dodging blood testing for PEDs (because it is an inconvenience) have to do with God and making the people happy? Nothing, they only have to do with what Pac wants, not anyone else. So I would call that selfish.

Forget about what the people want, I'm not doing this unless I get what I want - and I will walk away from potentially the biggest fight in history, just to make MY point.

Posted by: sugafoot79 Feb 5 2010, 06:57 PM

that is a good point but with all the boxers getting exposed for using performance enhancing drugs i think a little more vigorous testing isn't necessarily a bad thing

Posted by: Stxwolf Feb 5 2010, 11:00 PM

That's an opinion, not a fact. The only fact here is that only Pacquiao truly knows why he declined the testing. Any other theories are just that: Theories.

Posted by: rayajr Feb 5 2010, 11:26 PM

It could also have something to do with steroid use.

Posted by: 9secondko Feb 5 2010, 11:44 PM

Just like you could be the product of an inappropriate union. but no one is asking you and your mom to take DNA tests.

the bottom line is that you must have proof that someone is guilty, not using slander and specualtion to manipulate someone into doing whatever you want them to.


It's a matter of principle.

The better fighter is not going to let a lesser fighter tell him what to do.

And when the lesser boxer resorts to lesser tactics to accomplish his move, he gets called on it when it goes too far. Pacquaio is a man of principle and since he has nothing to hide, he takes it to court, which will subpoena evidence on both sides and allow the truth to be seen, without mayweather getting to spin his thug tactics into looking like something "good for the sport."

If someone had something to hide, you don't bring the thing to the court system. Pac has made all the right moves. Floyd is the one who has nothing to back him up on what he is saying other that "he didn't do what I told him to."

No kidding, sherlock, you are nobody. just another guy trying to get an angle. Not gonna happen with someone who isn't desperate.

Posted by: Stxwolf Feb 5 2010, 11:52 PM

You're right, it could.

Posted by: rayajr Feb 6 2010, 02:55 AM

You ignorant tool. Pac never refused a blood test. It was the time table that bothered Pac. Are you saying Pac's principles would allow him to be tested 24 days before the fight, but not 14? The bottom line is 24 days would allow Pac to get in a cycle, while 14 days would not.

Pac may be a man of principle, but that didn't stop him from entering into negotiations to fight Floyd even after Floyd Jr and Sr wondered if Pac was roiding. It wasn't until he was asked to test or no fight that his principles seemed to matter. You can buy that bs all day long if you want. Just try not to get your feelings hurt when someone disagrees with you.

Posted by: simba Feb 6 2010, 05:44 AM

The hell you talking about?

Posted by: mbase1235 Feb 6 2010, 07:18 AM

Interesting Roach interview. He contradicts himself so many times I lost count. Pac is only taking big fights from here on out? I would not call Clottey a big fight.

"Just show up and fight Floyd, come on"

Lets see, who walked away from the fight again?

http://tinyurl.com/yaqntc4

Posted by: simba Feb 6 2010, 08:36 AM

Bigger then Floyd fighting Juan Manuel. Agree?

Posted by: mbase1235 Feb 6 2010, 09:08 AM

OK, I'm going to ramble a bit here, just because this is what I thought when I read your post.

When Roach said "only big fights", he did not mean difficult fights, he meant high profile big money-making match-ups.

Is Pac-Clottey bigger than Floyd-Marquez? No, and most likely we will see that reflected in the PPV numbers, especially given the American public's curiosity with seeing how Mayweather would do after his so-called retirement.

Is Pac-Clottey a tougher fight for Pac than Floyd-Marquez was for Mayweather? Yes, no doubt about that, although this is easier to say in hindsight, given that Floyd shut Marquez down so easy (although I NEVER thought that Marquez could beat PBF at any weight, the style and defense is just all wrong for him - Marquez has only looked good against cats with no defense).

Roach is looking for the easiest of the big fights, just listen to what he said about Mosley. They did not want to fight him at 147 because he was better than Oscar (there goes the taking tough fights argument) and also that they would make more money fighting Cotto (there goes the more money side of things). And Roach pretty much said that he thought a post-Margarito Cotto was probably going to be the difference, at least that is how I interpreted it in this interview. Roach did say Cotto had not looked good since the fight with Marg, and later, in other interviews, Freddie came right out and said that Cotto was not the same fighter he was before Margarito.

So Roach thought that Miguel, at the time the fight was made, was the easier fight for the most money. I mean, right after the Clottey fight, both Manny and Freddie immediately wanted to fight Cotto. They saw a slow cat that was struggling, not as confident, and was not on the level he used to be on. No matter what cats say about Freddie, the man knows boxing.

I think they got stuck with Clottey because of Arum with his efforts to keep things in house (which also may have been necessary in order to get the fight done quickly, although I don't know why Pac HAD to fight March 13th, especially when Roach was initially saying that was too soon).

Arum first tried to make the Yuri Foreman fight, but Pac and Roach thought that Yuri was both too tall and the wrong style for Pac. I agree with that assessment, plus its low-reward, and if Yuri made Pac look bad that would bring his marketability way down, despite the higher weight, because Yuri is perceived to be a bum.

So, if you go down the Top Rank roster (again, Arum trying to keep all the money in-house and get a fight done quickly to be able to promote for March 13), then there are not that many choices. Valero is not even known as well as Clottey, plus he has visa problems and is a couple of weight divisions below. Arum might have done that if not for the visa problems. Bob Arum cannot deal with so many people (Haymon, Golden Boy, Mayweather) that the list for big fights for Pac is very small.

Cats say that PBF was cornered into taking on Mosley, but Pac really had no options either and had to take on Clottey. I mean, neither cat was going to take on Paul Williams. However Clottey is a low-reward high-risk fight, even given his tendency to fade. At least Mosley is a high-risk, high-reward name fight that fans are excited about. I don't know many people that are excited about Pac-Clottey, curious maybe, excited - NO.

Posted by: simba Feb 6 2010, 09:19 AM

Good post, but bottomline is Berto handed Mosley over to Floyd. I don't believe that Floyd was cornered to take the fight, knowing that he will probably land a fight w/Pac later this year. Floyd will get what he wanted coming out of retirement. MONEY

Pac went immediately for a legit welter and could have fought below or over 147 in an instant.

Don't get me wrong bro, Floyd is my #2 fav fighter, but I am disappointed in his tactics.

Posted by: maxmara Feb 6 2010, 09:54 AM

he was not affraid of floyd he was scare of the true about drugs.

Posted by: shove-aloe Feb 6 2010, 10:11 AM

What's our tatooed-needle-fearing-hypocrite gonna do once blood tests are mandatory ?

Retire !!!!

Posted by: scud Feb 6 2010, 02:56 PM

very good point about the tattoos! The whole thing is very strange to me.
Initially I thought FM was going overboard with the testing issue, but after
the statements by pac and roach i'm starting to wonder.

Posted by: mbase1235 Feb 6 2010, 04:32 PM

I don't really have a favorite fighter, I just want to see good fights, and I also enjoy some of the hype and buildup, which of course is more intense with the big-money fights. I could care less about the money, but its all part of the drum-up to the fight.

Pleased tell me who Pac could have fought? Because I don't see many possibilities, Pac's options were limited, especially since according to Roach Pac is about to retire and only has a few more fights left. What winning greedy boxer is going to wait to retire by fighting no-name cats? He would just flat-out retire rather than waste his time training.

The only super fights for him were Floyd or Shane (he ain't fighting Williams, which would be an interesting fights to hardcore fans because of the size difference, but Williams is not a well-known name to the general public). As I said before, cats like Valero are even less known that Clottey. Nobody knew or liked Yuri Foreman, and Pac himself did not care for that match-up. So tell me, where was Pac going to go? If Arum wanted to get a fight made quickly, then Top Rank's own fighters are the way to go, and that is limited pool of cats. The other big cache of fighters is Golden Boy's group, and after those Pac-PBF negotiations, grumpy-ass Arum was not about to do that. Doug Fischer said it best in this last Friday's mailbag, "If Arum was a kindergartner his report card would read: Doesn’t play well with others.".

But the other big promoter is not any better. Check out this article - where this same line was used, but in relation to Golden Boy:
http://tinyurl.com/y8rojm4

I can agree with not liking Floyd's tactics, and he will not be winning any personality contests either - but for me that has nothing to do with his fight game.

The Berto situation is murky to me, I don't know what happen, but I find it strange the way that fight mysteriously fell apart, and the way Floyd's team was so quite just before it happened. Yea, the Internet and media was buzzing with possible PBF opponents (Malignaggi, Matthew Hatton, Bradley, Campbell, etc.) but I never saw anything from Floyd's camp, and Kim reported that none of those cats were actually contacted by Floyd's people (GBP, Haymon, Ellerby). So I was wondering what they were waiting on, and then Berto mysteriously gets out of the fight with Shane, and the Shane fight was made very quickly (despite the Internet buzzing about Floyd being scared).

My own opinion, which is not worth much, is that Al Haymon was behind all of this. He promotes both Berto and Floyd, and he had the inside track. I think he was really behind Berto pulling out, and he let Floyd and his camp know about the potential Mosley fight way before we heard about it. So Floyd just sat tight and let things play out, while cats on the message boards were going crazy. Once the Mosley-Mayweather fight was announced, Pac-Clottey interest receded to the background. Even Arum's big media push for the fight in Dallas went almost unnoticed. All the talk was about Mosley-Mayweather on all the sites, and that alone tells you what's up, in terms of hard-core fan interest anyway. I've been reading mailbags and everything, not many people taking about Pac-Clottey. I still want to see that fight, but I am WAY more interested in Mosley-Mayweather, my level of interest is not even close for both of these fights.

Posted by: shove-aloe Feb 6 2010, 05:19 PM

Clottey is a bumba clott-ee...........not the comp to Pac that a Mosely would have been.

The only fight that will make everyone eat crow is a clean one where Floyd and Pac square off - blood tests included. All the trash talk will cease - dawgs will be respectful in the pound..........and Floyd will destroy Pac


..........seriously - we need that fight to put all the stuff behind us and get back into the sport - $ millions per pound overweight - and other contractual issues ; tattoos, needles and Bob Arum, really ruined this fight

War whomever is fighting who

Posted by: The Akbar One Feb 6 2010, 09:15 PM

Dumb a$$ Roach still saying needles harm Pac when Pac has tats, and dumb a$$ lying a$$ Roach still blaming a blood test on Morales winning the first fight. Too bad for Roach that the people in charge of the testing and numerous scientists have stated that the one tablespoon of blood taken for the tests is quickly regenerated by the body, not to mention, real world class athletes have set world records with multiple blood samples being taken leading up to their events. Roach can keep his bullsh!t excuses. What is interesting is that Roach allowed Clottey to be their next opponent. Pac's juicing won't matter against that type of defense, and Judah's power didn't bother Clottey one bit, neither did Margarito's plaster wraps, so Pac's juiced up power won't matter one bit.

Posted by: mannyp4p1 Feb 6 2010, 10:15 PM

then arum comes in and threatens cotto to agree or else. lol pacman runs the show when he is fighting fighters who arum also promotes, arum is so far up pacs ass he only lets him fight TR fighters that way pac can get catchweights easily without the other fighter having much of a choice but to agree.

hahahaha and you people say pac would not take the tests because team pac refused to let floyd dictate the pace. gtfo .. hypocrites at their very best lemme tell you. so its okay for pac to tell cotto 145 or bust, and btw its for your title, and btw im getting all the money for this fight, sure its okay because arum promotes cotto also so cotto dont have a say in the matter.
then pac has the nerve to say i want more money give it to me or im not fighitng Dlh or hatton.

and you people got the nerve to say who does floyd think he is requesting randomn blood testing, after a year of pac making and giving demands to fatton, Dlh, and cotto you guys are gonna try and accuse floyd of trying to run the show. how can u guys be so ignorant, pac has gotten everything he has asked for in his past 3 fights, but when floyd wants him to do something for a change its all floyds fault that pac dont wanna do it. lol whats the matter, pac sure is a pro at dishing out orders and getting what he wants, he can dish it but he cant take it. we have seen him dish his BS against dlh, cotto, and fatton. but when it comes to taking orders

Posted by: Stxwolf Feb 6 2010, 10:21 PM

Clottey has gone onr record saying he doesn't think Margarito used any kind of special wraps during their fight.

Just one of many falehoods you perpetuate

Posted by: Marble Feb 6 2010, 10:31 PM

Margarito tried using plaster wraps, only in the Mosley fight, cause he,,, his team,,, the California commsioners,,, the N.Y. Federal Judge that released Mosley's doping calender to the public a month and a half before the Margarito fight,,,, the Nevada commissioner-Keith Kizer (whom told Mosley that he would get tested for EPO before his fight with Margo, which is why Mosley had the fight changed to L.A. from Vegas,,,,,, ALL KNEW that Mosley was going to be "Juiced Up" with EPO for his fight with Margo. That's why Margarito did the right thing in trying to load his gloves.

Margarito/loaded gloves + Mosley/E.P.O hormones = Fair Play

Posted by: rahmit47 Feb 7 2010, 05:28 AM

Yeah that was a little mean but he's a liars and liars make me forget my good manners.By the way getting an ass kicking has been what this sh.. is about .There is a whole lot of karma for real crimes commited against people so that petty sh.. means very little in the real world

Posted by: rahmit47 Feb 7 2010, 05:41 AM

Surely you jest.Floyd afraid of Pacquiao?

Posted by: shove-aloe Feb 7 2010, 10:40 AM

You're attempting to have a rational discussion with the blind deaf and dumb

Posted by: Nononsense Feb 7 2010, 09:51 PM

The REAL truth is for years FMJ has stunk up the ring with boring performances. PACMAN is #1 P4P for very good reasons. If Floyd wants his #1 spot back he'll have to fight Pacman. That's the truth. I don't deny Floyds Skills but iv'e never liked him for obvious reasons. I do give him props for taking on Mosley, about time huh? Pacman would KO Floyd. Not easily.

Posted by: speedkills Feb 7 2010, 10:08 PM

yup thats it..
LMFAO paq got the #1 ONLY because fmj retired. now floyd is back and he is back at #1.
sorry man, paq beat fmj leftovers to default to #1..
truth is jmm was ahead of him in rationale peoples polls...
NOT paqtard polls

Posted by: Nononsense Feb 8 2010, 03:24 AM

Ring magazine top 10 P4P is the only list that really matters. So Floyd is still #2