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 El Juan, on 31 March 2018 - 01:25 PM, said:



True, but since we are using Jennings as an example. Look how easily Ortiz beat him while Klitschko struggled.

Stop making sense.
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 9secondko, on 31 March 2018 - 08:01 PM, said:



Not at the time the fights took place.

Klitchko was done.

Ortizc we still on top.
Ortiz hasn’t done shit. Klitschko is a legend and was one fight removed from being the champ.
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 El Juan, on 31 March 2018 - 01:25 PM, said:



True, but since we are using Jennings as an example. Look how easily Ortiz beat him while Klitschko struggled.
Good Point
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 crakaveli, on 30 March 2018 - 02:01 AM, said:



He looks special needs with his windmilling punches
:lol:
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 WhenWeWereKings, on 31 March 2018 - 08:12 PM, said:

Ortiz hasn’t done shit. Klitschko is a legend and was one fight removed from being the champ.

Klitchko was letting guys like Haye go the distance and couldn’t pull the trigger anymore.

Ortiz was the division bogeyman.

He’d have beaten either the current klitchko or Joshua.

Ortiz beat good fighters and beat them badly.

He was avoided for a reason.
Hearn bought him out from GBP so that he could ensure Joshua didn’t have to fight him.
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 9secondko, on 01 April 2018 - 03:36 PM, said:



Klitchko was letting guys like Haye go the distance and couldn’t pull the trigger anymore.

Ortiz was the division bogeyman.

He’d have beaten either the current klitchko or Joshua.

Ortiz beat good fighters and beat them badly.

He was avoided for a reason.
Hearn bought him out from GBP so that he could ensure Joshua didn’t have to fight him.
Tell me about all the killers Ortiz beat.
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 WhenWeWereKings, on 02 April 2018 - 05:37 AM, said:

Tell me about all the killers Ortiz beat.
Well Jennings is his biggest gem in his crown. Other then that Malik Scott
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 Homo Erection, on 02 April 2018 - 08:23 AM, said:

Well Jennings is his biggest gem in his crown. Other then that Malik Scott
Couple monsters there.
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 WhenWeWereKings, on 02 April 2018 - 09:21 AM, said:

Couple monsters there.

No one from cruiserweighr and up could you consider a “complete monster” other than AJ, Wilder, and Ortiz so why are you mocking?
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 El Juan, on 02 April 2018 - 09:22 AM, said:



No one from cruiserweighr and up could you consider a “complete monster” other than AJ, Wilder, and Ortiz so why are you mocking?
I simply pointing out that Ortiz hasn’t accomplished a whole lot to be considered the biggest threat to the title or the boogeyman. He’s just a guy who’s beaten a couple B level heavyweights. Wilder deserves credit for beating him, especially overcoming adversity to do so. But let’s not pretend that’s a better win than any of Joshua’s.
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 WhenWeWereKings, on 02 April 2018 - 09:41 AM, said:

I simply pointing out that Ortiz hasn’t accomplished a whole lot to be considered the biggest threat to the title or the boogeyman. He’s just a guy who’s beaten a couple B level heavyweights. Wilder deserves credit for beating him, especially overcoming adversity to do so. But let’s not pretend that’s a better win than any of Joshua’s.

The manner in which Ortiz was beating people was a lot more devastating that how Joshua’s opponents where winning.
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 El Juan, on 02 April 2018 - 09:57 AM, said:



The manner in which Ortiz was beating people was a lot more devastating that how Joshua’s opponents where winning.

Parker fought better people than Ortiz so you would expect that
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 crakaveli, on 02 April 2018 - 10:31 AM, said:



Parker fought better people than Ortiz so you would expect that

Parker has never looked dynamic. Ortiz has. Nobody has been running from Parker.
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 El Juan, on 02 April 2018 - 10:33 AM, said:



Parker has never looked dynamic. Ortiz has. Nobody has been running from Parker.
Parker barely beat Andy Ruiz Jr.
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 WhenWeWereKings, on 31 March 2018 - 08:12 PM, said:

Ortiz hasn’t done shit. Klitschko is a legend and was one fight removed from being the champ.
Klitschko was shot at that point and still managed to drop AJ hard.
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