Doghouse Boxing - Dog Pound

 linkpeso, on 10 June 2012 - 03:41 AM, said:

Yup, he can't even draw flies to sh.it - Manny was the draw in this fight.  Plus you correctly mentioned he probably can't beat Berto, Ortiz, or Mayweather.

I have watched the fight a cpl times now and am uploading it as well. I just don't see how any can say it was close and I can admit I wont respect anyone's  opinion who would be dumb enough to suggest he won.  I would love to watch the fight with the people saying it was close or Bradley won so I can look at them periodically and say " This is close huh? Bullshit", then boot their asses out for being really really stupid.
True Story.

 MrSweetScience, on 10 June 2012 - 04:30 AM, said:

Yup,  the only folks thinking Bradley won are either haters, retards, or novices.

 Boricuahook, on 10 June 2012 - 01:45 AM, said:

Well two different fights yes, but not completely different in terms of performance results between the two. In Pac vs Mosley, Pac threw 727 punches and landed 224 (according to compu box). In Pac vs Bradley, Pac threw 751 punches and landed 253 (according to compu box). So your point of Bradley holding Pac to a significantly lower punch output is moot. Pac obviously wasn't any more worried about Bradley then he was Mosley. The only difference is that this time (versus Bradley) Pac had more lateral movement in this fight and a far better defense which helped him completely control every aspect of this fight. According to compu box Mosley landed 20% of his total punches on Pac and Bradley (while much busier) landed 19% of total punches on Pac. Neither Bradley nor Mosley was competitive vs Pac. The only difference is Bradley may have won about 2 rounds to be generous. Now to be clear, I'm not really one of those guys that hold compu box numbers in high regards. However I do think it is a good general way to have a basic idea of who is out working who and who his generaly more accurate in a fight.

Man, this is saying a helluva whole lot..... Manny Pacquiao was robbed as bad as anyone I have seen robbed in boxing history, and I hope that my allegiance to Pacquiao wont tarnish that statement. The biggest Mayweather groupie should be able to admit Manny was robbed.

 TKOsFinest, on 10 June 2012 - 05:03 AM, said:

Agreed! But some people are saying they think it was actually close or a draw, bless there hearts....

 TKOsFinest, on 10 June 2012 - 05:03 AM, said:

The whole fight was a sham and Arum's limp wristed comments after the fight tell me he was a big part of it.     I don't know why you're mentioning Mayweather's fans in your post.............does liking Floyd require someone to exclude Manny as a great fighter ?    It makes no sense to me at all - they're both great and juiced as well as anyone else.....

What's funny after a travesty of justice like that,  is all the rhetoric about PEDs and the "reform" of the sport via stringent testing.   How anyone use testing as the precursor of cleaning up a sport that is so rife with corruption and contamination makes me wonder about their ulteriour motives............. having boxers fight "clean" according to an inconclusive and incomplete test is the least of those problems.   When judges,  promotors and sanctioning organisations can stage a farce like we saw last night,   there's an obvious need for an entire overhaul.

I was simply saying that the decision was so crooked that the biggest Pacquiao hater, which is usually Mayweather fans, would have to admit he was robbed.

 Boricuahook, on 10 June 2012 - 02:09 AM, said:

If only Floyd himself believed he would so thoroughly outclass Pac.

 Boricuahook, on 10 June 2012 - 02:09 AM, said:

Which rounds did you give to Bradley? Watched it again and tried to be generous to Bradley scoring it. Even then, I could only find 3 rounds to give him unless taking punches wins rounds nowadays.

 crafty, on 10 June 2012 - 04:39 AM, said:

or judges

Fight was fixed plain and simple.  Nobody with a functioning set of eyes and a brain can argue that Tim Bradley won that fight.  I can see anything from 119-109 to 117-111.  If you were REALLY charitable somehow maybe 116-112 Pac.

Like Kellerman said, when your eyes agree with the CompuBox stats, it's pretty hard to miss it that wide.  Pac landed way more total shots, way more power shots, and connected at a much higher percentage.  He landed more shots in 10 of the 12 rounds.  And somehow 2 judges gave Bradley 7 rounds?  For what?  This is boxing.  It's indefensible that the guy that gets battered around the ring, lands few shots and lands nothing of consequence when he does is consistently given rounds.

To me, it looked like Pacquaio could've put the TKO on Bradley early and lifted his foot off the gas a bit just to give the fans an entertaining night.  I like Tim Bradley, and he's a nice guy, but he was outclassed by a past his prime Pac.

Boxing is a sport responsible for billions of dollars of economic activity.  Hundreds of millions in PPV revenue and fight purses.  With this kind of blatant corruption going on when the most visible star in the sport is fighting, Congress should launch an investigation.  I don't care if it was Bob Arum cashing Manny out, or some other nefarious force, haven't people had enough?  How many tens of millions wagered in Vegas last night disappeared because of a corrupt decision?  Beyond just making a joke of the "sport", this is serious shit.  I lost $500 betting on JMM against Pac, but at least I could live with that decision.  This is crazy.

Truthfully.. A very generous scoring will be tim won four rounds... And that is way generous... Pac may not have landed at will, but pac definetly was throwing all through out.. Tim was rocked almost e ery round.. Even when lederman showed his scoring every round, commentators did not even slightly challanged it meaning thay are scoring it almost the same as lederman..

Pac should retire now.. He does not need to prove anything..

 9secondko, on 10 June 2012 - 03:48 AM, said:

How about the Cotto that fought Floyd beats the Pacquiao that fought Bradley? Pacquiao looked like he seriously regressed in his past 2 fights.

PAC was badly robbed in a fight where both men are TR fighters and there is a rematch clause. Arums post-fight "outrage" is veiled by him snuggling up to Tim and making comments about all of the money that HE will make off the rematch. I'm not normally a conspiracy theorist nor is it my intent to turn all discussion about this fight toward Floyd, but it's hard not to acknowledge why Arums me-first attitude and greed have impacted Floyd's ability to make the fight. For anyone who has campaigned that Floyd or manny are scared, etc. hopefully it's at least a little clearer now that arum is a huge stumbling block whose desire to hoard all the promo money will always prevent him from letting manny fight Floyd until he is absolutely ready to cash him out.