Tour De France Thread
shove-aloe
22 Jul 2012
watson748, on 22 July 2012 - 10:55 AM, said:
Wiggins is a top climber. He only finished 19 seconds behind the winner Valverde on the grueling 143km Bagnères-de-Luchon to Peyragudes climb. So steep its unclassified. The guy is the ultimate all rounder. There wasn't a single stage where he finished outside the top classification or within a few seconds of the winner.
Anyway, Cav once again destroyed all the speed pretenders on the Champs-Élysées. Sagan 2nd, Goss 3rd and Greipel 8th,
Anyway, Cav once again destroyed all the speed pretenders on the Champs-Élysées. Sagan 2nd, Goss 3rd and Greipel 8th,
Holy patriotic blindness Batman.
Cav had by far the best and only decent lead team to give him his launch and even then he was nearly challenged by Sagan who literally missed the last turn and had to play catchup with no team support. You can't draw any conclusions other than Cav won when one of his main rivals got caught with his pants down. Head to head with no Wiggins to lead him it would've been an entirely different race. Cav had benefitted in having the best lead out team who obviously outran everyone else before he even started to sprint.
Wiggins is a good - not excellent climber. Froome could've easily distanced him and did so but was held back by his team duty. Miguel Indurain was a good not excellent climber but he excelled in time trials.
If the race has more Alpine stages next year to go with the Pyrenées then the onus will be on a polyvalent rider. Lance Armstrong was polyvalent. Wiggins is a converted time trial specialist who can climb really well but on his own, without Froome and his team, he would've been dropped had there been a strong climber in the peloton. Nibali is an excellent climber but not in Contador's league or even Andy Schleck's. This was a tour that was tailor made for Sky and Wiggins with fewer mountain stages and 2 long time trials.
If the top climbers are in it next year and they include a few more hard mountain stages, then we'll see how Wiggs handles the challenge. I think that he would've been attacked by Contador and Schleck and eventually he would've cracked. Nobody challenged him because the climbers who were left in the peloton were not the top guns. I don't think Wiggins can handle the elite climbers - not like Armstrong who beat Pantani on several occasions. Head to head with Alberto Contador on a steep climb, Wiggins would be toast. You get a superb climber making up a couple of minutes in several climbs and it's a totally different race. With only 2 time trials to make valuable time vs. half a dozen steep climbs it's simple math.
The common consensus amongst the cyclists I know who actually race the same circuit is that this years TDF was a disappointment. The race lacked the elite climbers, mountain stages and to top it off Evans came into the race in poor condition. I recall one of Miguel Indurain's wins was exactly like that.
I'd like to see how Wiggs reacts when really challenged by a healthy and intact peloton. Unfortunately this year's was severely depleated from the onset.
I'm not taking the win away from him, but Wiggins won a race that was a slightly toned down version of what it could've been. As a cyclist I'm disappointed as are many of my friends some of whom race against Voekler and Chavanel amongst others...........
When Lance Armstrong raced against Marco Pantani and won he beat the best natural climber in the history of cycling. Lance did that and he was an unreal time trialist.
Now you Limies have a good excuse to go out and get drunk
Wiggins said in an interview that he credits this win to himself.............he had previously mentioned that he came back to the UK from the Olympics with his gold medal and couldn't even pay the rent. He sacrificed a lot and dedicated himself to arduous training while living on minimal govt stipends - and after he hauls in a gold, his flag waving patriotic country doesn't even support him or his family.
When Wiggs won today he wasn't a Brit wining the TDF he was Bradley Wiggins who trains for 7 fucking hours a day..........so go get drunk, wave your flags and imagine how proud Bradley is of being a member of country that would've let him starve to death after winning Olympic gold.
shove-aloe
22 Jul 2012
ROCKYMARSHMELLOW, on 22 July 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:
I will defend the legend's honour whilst he is enduring one of his Sunday afternoon wank fests.
You think you need endurance for that Tour De France shit, you should see one of Boxing Fan's Sunday wankathon's. Shitters told me it was one of the most brutal things he has ever witnessed.
You think you need endurance for that Tour De France shit, you should see one of Boxing Fan's Sunday wankathon's. Shitters told me it was one of the most brutal things he has ever witnessed.
He has legendary palms
Did the Palm Sistas survive ?
watson748
22 Jul 2012
shove-aloe, on 22 July 2012 - 12:47 PM, said:
Holy patriotic blindness Batman.
Cav had by far the best and only decent lead team to give him his launch and even then he was nearly challenged by Sagan who literally missed the last turn and had to play catchup with no team support. You can't draw any conclusions other than Cav won when one of his main rivals got caught with his pants down. Head to head with no Wiggins to lead him it would've been an entirely different race. Cav had benefitted in having the best lead out team who obviously outran everyone else before he even started to sprint.
Wiggins is a good - not excellent climber. Froome could've easily distanced him and did so but was held back by his team duty. Miguel Indurain was a good not excellent climber but he excelled in time trials.
If the race has more Alpine stages next year to go with the Pyrenées then the onus will be on a polyvalent rider. Lance Armstrong was polyvalent. Wiggins is a converted time trial specialist who can climb really well but on his own, without Froome and his team, he would've been dropped had there been a strong climber in the peloton. Nibali is an excellent climber but not in Contador's league or even Andy Schleck's. This was a tour that was tailor made for Sky and Wiggins with fewer mountain stages and 2 long time trials.
If the top climbers are in it next year and they include a few more hard mountain stages, then we'll see how Wiggs handles the challenge. I think that he would've been attacked by Contador and Schleck and eventually he would've cracked. Nobody challenged him because the climbers who were left in the peloton were not the top guns. I don't think Wiggins can handle the elite climbers - not like Armstrong who beat Pantani on several occasions. Head to head with Alberto Contador on a steep climb, Wiggins would be toast. You get a superb climber making up a couple of minutes in several climbs and it's a totally different race. With only 2 time trials to make valuable time vs. half a dozen steep climbs it's simple math.
The common consensus amongst the cyclists I know who actually race the same circuit is that this years TDF was a disappointment. The race lacked the elite climbers, mountain stages and to top it off Evans came into the race in poor condition. I recall one of Miguel Indurain's wins was exactly like that.
I'd like to see how Wiggs reacts when really challenged by a healthy and intact peloton. Unfortunately this year's was severely depleated from the onset.
I'm not taking the win away from him, but Wiggins won a race that was a slightly toned down version of what it could've been. As a cyclist I'm disappointed as are many of my friends some of whom race against Voekler and Chavanel amongst others...........
When Lance Armstrong raced against Marco Pantani and won he beat the best natural climber in the history of cycling. Lance did that and he was an unreal time trialist.
Now you Limies have a good excuse to go out and get drunk
Wiggins said in an interview that he credits this win to himself.............he had previously mentioned that he came back to the UK from the Olympics with his gold medal and couldn't even pay the rent. He sacrificed a lot and dedicated himself to arduous training while living on minimal govt stipends - and after he hauls in a gold, his flag waving patriotic country doesn't even support him or his family.
When Wiggs won today he wasn't a Brit wining the TDF he was Bradley Wiggins who trains for 7 fucking hours a day..........so go get drunk, wave your flags and imagine how proud Bradley is of being a member of country that would've let him starve to death after winning Olympic gold.
Cav had by far the best and only decent lead team to give him his launch and even then he was nearly challenged by Sagan who literally missed the last turn and had to play catchup with no team support. You can't draw any conclusions other than Cav won when one of his main rivals got caught with his pants down. Head to head with no Wiggins to lead him it would've been an entirely different race. Cav had benefitted in having the best lead out team who obviously outran everyone else before he even started to sprint.
Wiggins is a good - not excellent climber. Froome could've easily distanced him and did so but was held back by his team duty. Miguel Indurain was a good not excellent climber but he excelled in time trials.
If the race has more Alpine stages next year to go with the Pyrenées then the onus will be on a polyvalent rider. Lance Armstrong was polyvalent. Wiggins is a converted time trial specialist who can climb really well but on his own, without Froome and his team, he would've been dropped had there been a strong climber in the peloton. Nibali is an excellent climber but not in Contador's league or even Andy Schleck's. This was a tour that was tailor made for Sky and Wiggins with fewer mountain stages and 2 long time trials.
If the top climbers are in it next year and they include a few more hard mountain stages, then we'll see how Wiggs handles the challenge. I think that he would've been attacked by Contador and Schleck and eventually he would've cracked. Nobody challenged him because the climbers who were left in the peloton were not the top guns. I don't think Wiggins can handle the elite climbers - not like Armstrong who beat Pantani on several occasions. Head to head with Alberto Contador on a steep climb, Wiggins would be toast. You get a superb climber making up a couple of minutes in several climbs and it's a totally different race. With only 2 time trials to make valuable time vs. half a dozen steep climbs it's simple math.
The common consensus amongst the cyclists I know who actually race the same circuit is that this years TDF was a disappointment. The race lacked the elite climbers, mountain stages and to top it off Evans came into the race in poor condition. I recall one of Miguel Indurain's wins was exactly like that.
I'd like to see how Wiggs reacts when really challenged by a healthy and intact peloton. Unfortunately this year's was severely depleated from the onset.
I'm not taking the win away from him, but Wiggins won a race that was a slightly toned down version of what it could've been. As a cyclist I'm disappointed as are many of my friends some of whom race against Voekler and Chavanel amongst others...........
When Lance Armstrong raced against Marco Pantani and won he beat the best natural climber in the history of cycling. Lance did that and he was an unreal time trialist.
Now you Limies have a good excuse to go out and get drunk
Wiggins said in an interview that he credits this win to himself.............he had previously mentioned that he came back to the UK from the Olympics with his gold medal and couldn't even pay the rent. He sacrificed a lot and dedicated himself to arduous training while living on minimal govt stipends - and after he hauls in a gold, his flag waving patriotic country doesn't even support him or his family.
When Wiggs won today he wasn't a Brit wining the TDF he was Bradley Wiggins who trains for 7 fucking hours a day..........so go get drunk, wave your flags and imagine how proud Bradley is of being a member of country that would've let him starve to death after winning Olympic gold.
All I can surmise is that you didn't watch the race because the entire liquidgas train was there for Sagan as was the trains for Goss and Greipel. Skys train was just way too strong for any of them. having said that Bosson hagan exploded on the bend and left Cav to do the entire straight on his own. That would have been unthinkable if Cav had been with his HTC train last year. He would have been lead up to about 200m to the finish and not dropped at 500m. He still destroyed Sagan etc.
Get your cock out of Sagan arse Shove, that nasally little elf isn't in Cav's league and even said after the race he only won the Green because Cav wasn't going for any sprint wins.
read em and weep Shoveski....
Tour de France stage wins
- Eddy Merckx, Bel (1969-75) - 34
- Bernard Hinault, Fra (1978-86) - 28
- Andre Leducq, Fra (1927-35) - 25
- Mark Cavendish, GB (2008 to present) - 23
- Lance Armstrong, US (1993-2005) - 22
- Andre Darrigade, Fra (1953-64) - 22
- Nicolas Frantz, Lux (1924-29) - 20
- Francois Faber, Fra (1908-14) - 19
- still no sagan
shove-aloe
22 Jul 2012
watson748, on 22 July 2012 - 01:04 PM, said:
what a load of uneducated crap
............says the man who rode his bike for a day or two and then gave it away - so give me your EDUCATED opinions Mr. Cycling aka Monsieur cut and paste.
You admitted that Sky's train was way too strong. Curiously you previously said that Cav was getting no support which was why he was losing the sprints. You can't have it both ways - make up your shrivelled mind
So tell me Mr Educated. Was SKY giving him support or not - was their train the best or not ? It was obviously better than the competitors who were outrun.
Did Cav outsprint his rivals from the same starting point ? NO
Did he win with an already unsurmountable advantage comiing into the sprint ? YES
Were his competitors on an even playing field ? NO Sagan not only was being lead out by a less effective train, he missed the last turn completely and still got within a few feet of Cav at the finish line.
Who wore the green jersey at the end of the race with an inferiour lead out team ? SAGAN
Without Wiggins, Froome and Co. Cav would've had a helluva time pulling it off. The only reason he got to do his thing is because the whole team dedicated themselves to him. Left to his own devices he failed compared to Sagan the rookie who won 3 stages and took the overall jersey as the TDF's best sprinter.
shove-aloe
22 Jul 2012
shove-aloe, on 22 July 2012 - 12:47 PM, said:
Holy patriotic blindness Batman.
Cav had by far the best and only decent lead team to give him his launch and even then he was nearly challenged by Sagan who literally missed the last turn and had to play catchup with no team support. You can't draw any conclusions other than Cav won when one of his main rivals got caught with his pants down. Head to head with no Wiggins to lead him it would've been an entirely different race. Cav had benefitted in having the best lead out team who obviously outran everyone else before he even started to sprint.
Wiggins is a good - not excellent climber. Froome could've easily distanced him and did so but was held back by his team duty. Miguel Indurain was a good not excellent climber but he excelled in time trials.
If the race has more Alpine stages next year to go with the Pyrenées then the onus will be on a polyvalent rider. Lance Armstrong was polyvalent. Wiggins is a converted time trial specialist who can climb really well but on his own, without Froome and his team, he would've been dropped had there been a strong climber in the peloton. Nibali is an excellent climber but not in Contador's league or even Andy Schleck's. This was a tour that was tailor made for Sky and Wiggins with fewer mountain stages and 2 long time trials.
If the top climbers are in it next year and they include a few more hard mountain stages, then we'll see how Wiggs handles the challenge. I think that he would've been attacked by Contador and Schleck and eventually he would've cracked. Nobody challenged him because the climbers who were left in the peloton were not the top guns. I don't think Wiggins can handle the elite climbers - not like Armstrong who beat Pantani on several occasions. Head to head with Alberto Contador on a steep climb, Wiggins would be toast. You get a superb climber making up a couple of minutes in several climbs and it's a totally different race. With only 2 time trials to make valuable time vs. half a dozen steep climbs it's simple math.
The common consensus amongst the cyclists I know who actually race the same circuit is that this years TDF was a disappointment. The race lacked the elite climbers, mountain stages and to top it off Evans came into the race in poor condition. I recall one of Miguel Indurain's wins was exactly like that.
I'd like to see how Wiggs reacts when really challenged by a healthy and intact peloton. Unfortunately this year's was severely depleated from the onset.
I'm not taking the win away from him, but Wiggins won a race that was a slightly toned down version of what it could've been. As a cyclist I'm disappointed as are many of my friends some of whom race against Voekler and Chavanel amongst others...........
When Lance Armstrong raced against Marco Pantani and won he beat the best natural climber in the history of cycling. Lance did that and he was an unreal time trialist.
Now you Limies have a good excuse to go out and get drunk
Wiggins said in an interview that he credits this win to himself.............he had previously mentioned that he came back to the UK from the Olympics with his gold medal and couldn't even pay the rent. He sacrificed a lot and dedicated himself to arduous training while living on minimal govt stipends - and after he hauls in a gold, his flag waving patriotic country doesn't even support him or his family.
When Wiggs won today he wasn't a Brit wining the TDF he was Bradley Wiggins who trains for 7 fucking hours a day..........so go get drunk, wave your flags and imagine how proud Bradley is of being a member of country that would've let him starve to death after winning Olympic gold.
Cav had by far the best and only decent lead team to give him his launch and even then he was nearly challenged by Sagan who literally missed the last turn and had to play catchup with no team support. You can't draw any conclusions other than Cav won when one of his main rivals got caught with his pants down. Head to head with no Wiggins to lead him it would've been an entirely different race. Cav had benefitted in having the best lead out team who obviously outran everyone else before he even started to sprint.
Wiggins is a good - not excellent climber. Froome could've easily distanced him and did so but was held back by his team duty. Miguel Indurain was a good not excellent climber but he excelled in time trials.
If the race has more Alpine stages next year to go with the Pyrenées then the onus will be on a polyvalent rider. Lance Armstrong was polyvalent. Wiggins is a converted time trial specialist who can climb really well but on his own, without Froome and his team, he would've been dropped had there been a strong climber in the peloton. Nibali is an excellent climber but not in Contador's league or even Andy Schleck's. This was a tour that was tailor made for Sky and Wiggins with fewer mountain stages and 2 long time trials.
If the top climbers are in it next year and they include a few more hard mountain stages, then we'll see how Wiggs handles the challenge. I think that he would've been attacked by Contador and Schleck and eventually he would've cracked. Nobody challenged him because the climbers who were left in the peloton were not the top guns. I don't think Wiggins can handle the elite climbers - not like Armstrong who beat Pantani on several occasions. Head to head with Alberto Contador on a steep climb, Wiggins would be toast. You get a superb climber making up a couple of minutes in several climbs and it's a totally different race. With only 2 time trials to make valuable time vs. half a dozen steep climbs it's simple math.
The common consensus amongst the cyclists I know who actually race the same circuit is that this years TDF was a disappointment. The race lacked the elite climbers, mountain stages and to top it off Evans came into the race in poor condition. I recall one of Miguel Indurain's wins was exactly like that.
I'd like to see how Wiggs reacts when really challenged by a healthy and intact peloton. Unfortunately this year's was severely depleated from the onset.
I'm not taking the win away from him, but Wiggins won a race that was a slightly toned down version of what it could've been. As a cyclist I'm disappointed as are many of my friends some of whom race against Voekler and Chavanel amongst others...........
When Lance Armstrong raced against Marco Pantani and won he beat the best natural climber in the history of cycling. Lance did that and he was an unreal time trialist.
Now you Limies have a good excuse to go out and get drunk
Wiggins said in an interview that he credits this win to himself.............he had previously mentioned that he came back to the UK from the Olympics with his gold medal and couldn't even pay the rent. He sacrificed a lot and dedicated himself to arduous training while living on minimal govt stipends - and after he hauls in a gold, his flag waving patriotic country doesn't even support him or his family.
When Wiggs won today he wasn't a Brit wining the TDF he was Bradley Wiggins who trains for 7 fucking hours a day..........so go get drunk, wave your flags and imagine how proud Bradley is of being a member of country that would've let him starve to death after winning Olympic gold.
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ROCKYMARSHMELLOW
22 Jul 2012
Erm.. could you two do me a big favour. Can you both shut the fuck up please.
Thanks
Rocky.
Thanks
Rocky.
