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Glax0r's Photo Glax0r 24 Sep 2012

Mayweather on ropes
Pacquiao calls bluff as fans await clash

By Ron Borges / Boxing Notes

It is not easy to nail Floyd Mayweather Jr. flush, but this week Manny Pacquiao did it.

While in the midst of a nationwide tour to publicize his Dec. 8 fourth fight with Juan Manuel Marquez, Pacquiao couldn’t escape the only topic of importance to most fight fans, which is a career-defining match with Mayweather. Although that fight has been rotting on the vine for more than two years, Pacquiao finally found the kind of opening that could decide the day when he first told a radio interviewer and then repeated during several ESPN appearances that he would not only agree to whatever kind of random drug tests Mayweather wants, but also to a purse split that would give Mayweather 55 percent of what is expected to be the largest grossing fight in boxing history.

Money and Mayweather’s insistence that all his opponents agree to random blood testing for performance-enhancing drugs right up to the night of any fight with him had long been stumbling blocks to making the sport’s most anticipated event, but Pacquiao finally blew them out of the water this week, leaving the still silent Mayweather on the ropes in a debate he had, up until then, been winning.

“I’m waiting for that fight to happen,” Pacquiao said during one ESPN interview. “I don’t know what’s the reason why that fight has not happened. . . . It’s OK for me if he gets a higher percentage than me. I told him I agree with 55 and 45 (split).”

According to Pacquiao, Mayweather offered him a flat $40 million with no share of the pay-per-view upside, a condition Mayweather well understood no one would accept for a fight that could easily do 2 million buys or more at $59.95 or more on PPV, a gross of $120 million and likely far higher. That’s before site fees, international TV, the gate and sponsorships are added to the pot.

Obviously 45 percent of that, assuming the fight does as predicted, would be considerably more than the $40 flat fee Mayweather offered during an ear-to-ear phone faceoff with Pacquiao. But Pacquiao’s public concession of the lion’s share of the fight’s income to Mayweather takes off the table one of the negotiation’s sticking points.

Pacquiao then became the first fighter in years to land a combination on Mayweather when he backed that up by saying he would also agree to random testing, even up to the night of the fight. Pacquiao had at first refused that, then said he would agree to whatever the Nevada State Athletic Commission ordered (knowing he had no other choice if the fight was in Las Vegas and that NSAC standards are well below what Mayweather has insisted upon). Last week Pacquiao went further, saying he would now do whatever Mayweather asked in that area to make the fight happen.

“No problem,” Pacquiao said. “Whatever he wants to do. No problem.”

That is the first time anyone has actually heard Pacquiao say publicly he would agree to random blood testing up to the night of the fight and it accomplished two things. It took the legs out of Mayweather’s insistence Pacquiao had not agree to such a request, and it left him and his advisors reeling because if Pacquiao later refuses, it would confirm to many Mayweather’s fears that the eight-time champion’s success has been somehow chemically fueled, so it’s unlikely he would try to backpedal later.

Backpedaling is not Pacquiao’s style, which may be the real reason behind Mayweather’s continued dodging of the fight. Since serving his jail sentence for domestic battery, Mayweather has been keeping a low profile, at least in terms of boxing. No one expects him to fight before next spring, and with a Dec. 8 fight against Marquez which figures to be difficult, it’s equally unlikely Pacquiao would return again before May or June.

If Mayweather accepts another opponent in April you see the problem — nearly another year runs out without them squaring off and more and more sports fans look askance at the entire thing.

There is a time for a deal — and a fight — to be made. If that time drags on too long the deal itself begins to rot and fan interest wanes, which is already becoming the case. Although TV networks would battle over the fight, even they agree that as the two fighters continue to age, interest in it decreases because fights are not like wine. They do not always improve by aging.

Chin music

Amir Khan has apparently decided five-time Trainer of the Year Freddie Roach should have ordered him a chin transplant prior to getting knocked cold by Danny Garcia in his last outing in July, because he fired Roach last week, claiming Roach was too focused on other fighters.

Although publicly both have been nothing but professional about the split, word on the street is Khan wanted Roach to dump Pacquiao and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. and make him his focus. Khan had tired of traveling the world to work with Roach in Pacquiao training camps.

“He has a right to expect his trainer is focused on him,” a business associate of Khan’s insisted.

Not if you understand business he doesn’t. Both Pacquiao and Chavez were bigger draws and paid Roach better. Roach resurrected Khan, who was a broken fighter after Breidis Prescott knocked him cold.

Roach has long privately acknowledged Khan’s chin challenges, once telling a friend, “How do we train a chin? We don’t we train the fighter not to get hit on the chin.” When asked what might happen on the night that strategy didn’t work he smiled and said, “Go to the smelling salts.”

In other words, there is only so much a trainer can do. Roach helped Khan become a two-time world champion, but he is now on a two-fight losing streak.

Many saw that loss as “stunning,” but if you knew anything about Khan’s chin it was not. That loss had nothing to do with the location of training camp and everything to do with the location of Garcia’s punches on Khan’s chin.

“I’ve been fired before,” Roach said after he and Khan spoke by phone before the Chavez-Sergio Martinez weigh-in. “No problem. He told me, ‘I know you’re busy with your other fighters and I’m going to go in a different direction.’ No hard feelings. I wish him luck.”

Khan is reportedly leaning toward Virgil Hunter, lifelong trainer of Andre Ward, but he has also spoken to other potential replacements, including Pedro Diaz, who handles Miguel Cotto. Maybe one of them is also a chin surgeon? If not, they can’t fix the problem either and, by the way, does Khan think Hunter will put him before Ward or that Diaz will do that to Cotto?

Maybe it isn’t only his chin that’s his problem.

Short jabs

This was not a great week for Mayweather, who has bigger problems at the moment than Pacquiao. According to the Las Vegas Review-Journal, Mayweather was involved in a shouting match with Melissa Brim, the mother of one of his four children, on Sept. 9. No charges were filed but it was a similar incident that allegedly turned violent with Josie Harris, mother of his other three children, that led to his eventual incarceration.

A federal judge last week also ordered him to pay about $114,000 in legal fees and court costs for what U.S. District Judge Larry Hicks called “Mayweather’s obviously intentional decision not to appear for his court ordered deposition.” That deposition is part of a 2009 defamation suit filed against Mayweather by Pacquiao. If the two ever fight it is expected the suit will be dropped. . . .

Worcester’s Edwin Rodriguez and Framingham’s Danny O’Connor will fight on HBO’s “Boxing After Dark” card next Saturday night at Foxwoods, but they occupy differing slots. Rodriguez (21-0, 14 KO) takes on Jason Escalera (13-0-1, 12 KO), while O’Connor (18-1, 6 KO) is fighting Josh Sosa (10-3, 5 KO) off TV.
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Ten oz's Photo Ten oz 24 Sep 2012

I think it interesting that once again PAC has signed a contract to fight someone before FMJ has anything lined and come out and trash talked. I am not directly accusing PAC of anything but shouldn't he had giving such an interview a month ago when both he and FMJ were free to fight? There seems to be a trend where PAC and FMJ loosely negotiate a bout via twitter, YouTube, and the boxing journalist rumor mill but then PAC always emerges with a contract signed to fight someone else and point the finger at FMJ.
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Glax0r's Photo Glax0r 24 Sep 2012

View PostTen oz, on 24 September 2012 - 08:27 AM, said:

I think it interesting that once again PAC has signed a contract to fight someone before FMJ has anything lined and come out and trash talked. I am not directly accusing PAC of anything but shouldn't he had giving such an interview a month ago when both he and FMJ were free to fight?

I have no bone in this dog fight for either Mayweather or Pacquiao's side... but I agree with what you just stated.
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rayajr's Photo rayajr 24 Sep 2012

Kind of a long read and entirely useless. Pac's own advisor Koncz already dismissed Pac's claims. This writer must have had a deadline to meet and didn't care to start over when the real facts came out. And like ten points out, Pac's claims are pretty useless when he signed to fight someone else already. And let's nor forget Arum's role in making the fight.

If Pac doesn't know why the fight hasn't been made yet, he better start paying attention to what Arum has been saying. Statements like : " we need a new stadium" , "the world needs Pac-JMM 4", "no Mayweather until 2013", "we have a list of 3 potential opponents and none are named Floyd".

Pac ain't genius but he can't be this stupid can he? Pac if you really want the fight with Floyd, speak up when neither guy has an opponent, tell Arum to include Floyd on the list of opponents, forget the new stadium BS, tell Koncz you take 45% period.

Team Pac is a mess.
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The_Ikon's Photo The_Ikon 24 Sep 2012

View PostTen oz, on 24 September 2012 - 08:27 AM, said:

I think it interesting that once again PAC has signed a contract to fight someone before FMJ has anything lined and come out and trash talked. I am not directly accusing PAC of anything but shouldn't he had giving such an interview a month ago when both he and FMJ were free to fight? There seems to be a trend where PAC and FMJ loosely negotiate a bout via twitter, YouTube, and the boxing journalist rumor mill but then PAC always emerges with a contract signed to fight someone else and point the finger at FMJ.

Brother!!! You've made the post of the week!  

100% agree with you. .
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Vatoloco's Photo Vatoloco 24 Sep 2012

This fight has reached Tyson-Lewis status.  Its past its due date and is meanigless now.  People will watch but not as many if it were to have happened 3 years ago.
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View PostBoxingfan32, on 24 September 2012 - 11:05 AM, said:

There's a lot of smoke and mirrors on both sides if I am to be completely honest. Is either guy scared of the other? Absolutely not and it's stupid to even make that claim. Floyd wants to keep his 0 and doesn't have enough confidence in himself. roach and arum know that manny would likely not fair well against Floyd and that if they fought that the likely outcome would be manny getting not only outboxed, but completely embarrassed. This would mean little to no more interest in manny. While on Floyd's side, he needs to understand even if he were to lose that the greatest fighters in history have lost... it's part of how you find out what you're made of.

Posturing and talking on a TV show isn't anything to do with negotiations or all the facts.  Whatever posturing they're both doing has no bearing on what is being discussed out of earshot.  
I enjoyed watching the interview with Manny and JMM in which Manny claimed he spoke on the phone with Floyd and agreed to a 45/55% split.    As the Wizard of 10 so aptly stated -

I think it interesting that once again PAC has signed a contract to fight someone before FMJ has anything lined and come out and trash talked. I am not directly accusing PAC of anything but shouldn't he had giving such an interview a month ago when both he and FMJ were free to fight?
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View PostBoxingfan32, on 24 September 2012 - 11:10 AM, said:

Most of us don't even care anymore. Now everyone would pick seeing Floyd fight SM over manny.... I would anyway.
Floyd vs Martinez is the fight I want to see.
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Rocket Pop's Photo Rocket Pop 24 Sep 2012

Pacquiao was mostly responding to the interviewer's grilling, who like the rest of us were unsatisfied with answers like, "I don't know why the fight hasn't happened." So they put him on the spot with, "what do you mean you don't know?!" And he had no choice but to portray himself as the more willing one which maybe he is. Who knows who cares? My deadline for caring has passed.
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Vatoloco's Photo Vatoloco 24 Sep 2012

View PostBoxingfan32, on 24 September 2012 - 11:44 AM, said:

Well there you have it... interest after last week has shifting I think A LOT from manny to SM. I have always felt that Martinez was a bigger threat because he's not predictable. I'd like to see him beat Floyd and retire tbh.
I actually had interest in this fight before the Chavez fight.  But I agree that more people probably want to see it now after the Chavez fight.
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The_Ikon's Photo The_Ikon 24 Sep 2012

View PostBoxingfan32, on 24 September 2012 - 11:10 AM, said:



Most of us don't even care anymore. Now everyone would pick seeing Floyd fight SM over manny.... I would anyway.

I always felt Floyd would easily beat Manny.  I think his real challenge would be against Sergio Martinez!
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johnnyblaze's Photo johnnyblaze 24 Sep 2012

It's too bad Floyd didn't want to fight again this year the way he said he would.
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crafty's Photo crafty 24 Sep 2012

Martinez vs Mayweather is without a doubt the top fight in boxing to make now.  We know at least SM is ready to fight without any bull.shit excuses for not making the fight, and the fight would draw HUGE PPV numbers since fans would figure it would be the toughest fight of Floyd's career.  I got SM winning by stoppage.  He won't let pbf off the hook like Shane did.
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View Postjohnnyblaze, on 24 September 2012 - 01:46 PM, said:

It's too bad Floyd didn't want to fight again this year the way he said he would.
It wasn't gonna be Pac or Martinez so Wgara. Btw I never thought I'd see the day you admit to missing Floyd.
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View Postrayajr, on 24 September 2012 - 02:05 PM, said:

It wasn't gonna be Pac or Martinez so Wgara. Btw I never thought I'd see the day you admit to missing Floyd.
You don't know that, or are you saying Floyd would still be ducking the hard challenges?
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