I used to stack San's "Fierce" with a liquid amino acid, two ginseng, and two b-vitamins before a workout. Depending on what I was doing that day, I sometimes would half it up; drinking some before and some during. Other times I'd wait till it was almost time for cardio

Another that I've mentioned was l-arginine, orthinine, ginseng, and *don't laugh* some stuff I found @ Dollar Tree - Jackie chan's green tea mixture which has b vitamins, small amount of caffeine, and green tea. Or you can just remove jackie's stuff, and down that above with a cup of green tea *caffeinated*

SHYNE......... YOU ARE CHEAP ........TAKE YOUR AZZ TO GNC AND QUIT BUYING THESE GENERIC OFF BRAND SUPPLEMENTS......... ONE TIME YOU SAID THERE WAS NO DIFFERENCE OR WHY DO WE WASTE MONEY IN THE HIGHER SUPPLEMENTS...........I'LL TELL YOU WHY...1ST... I GOT MONEY..2ND...READ THE INGREDIENTS ON THE LABEL AND LOOK AT THE MILLIGRAMS PER SERVING.....IT IS 10 TIMES HIGHER THEN THOSE OFF BRAND SUPPLEMENTS.......... I WISH I COULD POST A PICK OF ME......AND YOU WILL SAY.....I WANNA TAKE THAT STUFF DARTH IS ON........................... DARTH KONG

But look tho...half of that stuff is filler, and has no bearing on the effectiveness of the main ingredients. Plus you can actually get supps with more milligrams per serving than the supposed name brands.