I just watched this fight again today on Spike. Rampage clearly and definitively won rounds 1, 3, and 4. There's absolutely no doubt about it. Also, round 2 was nowhere near being a 10-8 round. Anyone who suggests that should get a slap in the face. After watching the fight again today, and not letting the emotions of fight night possibly get in my way, I am positive that Rampage did enough to keep his belt.

ps...sorry for making a new topic...

I thought Rampage won it narrowly but it was far from a robbery.

Forrest is good enough to hang with the elite even though he can quite corny. His attempts at being funny during UFN were horrible.

I agree, I thought Jackson won that fight. Hopefully if he beats Silva they will give him a chance to fight the Evans vs Griffin winner.

I wonder how training with Wolfslair will effect Rampage, I wonder if he will be better from this or worse. Hopefully he still works with a lot of the things he worked with when he was with Juanito as far as his boxing drills are concerned. Hopefully he takes some of those drills and implement them into his new training with Bisping and them.

the fight was more drawish to me...but if you put a gun to my head and forced me to pick a winner...I would have to go Forrest Griffin...

He was the more active fighter and implemented a very effective strategy..

THe bottom line is this...and I believe I mentioned this before....


Did Rampage lose the fight?

not necessarily....

but did he do enough to win it?


No, he didn't...


Griffin did...

Forrest Griffin fought like he wanted it more and in the end, I think that's what made the difference...


but knowing Rampage, he still has his youth...he'll be back...first he has to leap over the hurdle that is Wanderlei.

I almost think that Rampage is more effective when he concentrates more on wrestling and less on just pure boxing. Seriously, I think Rampage was a hell of a dangerous fighter before he somewhat refined his boxing game. Look at how great he looked against Chuck the first fight. Recently, it seems like he thinks it's a boxing match and forgets that he can wrestle a bit, too. And, HE NEEDS TO CHECK KICKS!

I'm sure working with a kickboxer like Bisping full time he will be checking kicks a lot more often.

As for his wrestling I know what you mean, when was the last time we saw Jackson go for one of his signature slams?? Its been awhile. I wanted to see him toss Griffin on his damn head but he never really even tried.

I thought Griffin won a close decision. I had him winning the 2nd round, 5th round and either the 3rd or 4th rounds, cant remember which one. I havent watched the fight in a month or so. But I felt Griffin could've fought another 10-15 mins watching it and definitely would've pulled ahead even more if the fight was longer.

Jackson clearly won.

IMO the 1st, 3rd and 5th rounds shouldn't even be disputable.

Yeah, he won so clearly he needed his cornerman to help him walk out of the Octagon after the fight. How do you have Jackson winning the 5th anyway? he didnt do anything in that entire round. Forrest clearly won that round as well as the 2nd. The 3rd and 4rth rounds were toss ups. You talk like this was some kind of Bisping-Hamill robbery when it was a close fight. Forrest earned that victory.

Your supposed to take the title from the champion not win it in a fight that should have gone the other way. It wasn't the 5th round I was thinking of anyways it was the 4th. Jackson won the 1st, 3rd and 4th rounds clearly. To say the 4th round could have gone either way is laughable.

So because Jackson was limping out of the Octagon he lost the fight? What about Griffins grill? He didn't exactly look like he hadn't been in a fight either. Its a fight of course guys are going to be hurt after a competitive fight like that but I don't see how Griffin won and I hope Jackson wins and Griffin beats Evans so hopefully we can see a rematch between these two.

I hate this stupid "your supposed to take the title from the champion" excuse. Griffin did take the title away from Jackson. Period. You know how he did it? by winning more rounds than the champion. If they are extremely close rounds that the challenger won than so be it, but he won more rounds. That's how it goes and Jackson did not clearly win that fight, your probably the only one that I know that thinks Jackson got outright robbed in that one.

This whole "needing to take the title convincingly" is just a sour grapes excuse that comes from fans and fighters when close decisions dont go the desired way. If that held true and you actually believed it then your just glorifying a champion's subpar performances and basically saying its okay to turn in a half hearted effort. If Jackson wanted to still be champion then he should've fought harder cause if he did then maybe he could've actually sealed the deal in the 5th round and won the fight. Instead he just sat back and watched as Forrest Griffin took the title away from him, he's got no one to blame but himself.

I also agree that a fight should be scored as if a title were not on the line. Having said that, Rampage did win rounds 1, 3, and 4 clearly, IMO Jackson shouldn't blame himself because he still did more than enough to win. I think that he pretty much lost because everyone (including the judges, who are human and know who the favourite/underdog is) expected him to dominate Forrest and because the fight was closer than people expected, they (jugdes and fans) gave more credit to Forrest than he deserved. In rounds 3 and 4, (especially round 3, which wasn't even a close round in reality) Rampage was landing clean, hard punches and Forrest was basically doing nothing. Rogan was talking about how Forrest was winning the round where he got taken down and attempted a triangle. So, taking a guy down and punching him more than he punches you isn't as deserving as getting a guy in a triangle for a second and then letting it go so you don't get slammed hard, is it?

I'd love to sit down and watch the fight with some Griffin fans, like yourself, and discuss what's going on in the fight. I'd be interested in hearing how Griffin won so many rounds. Griffin won the 2nd and 5th clearly. Rampage won the 1st, 3rd, and 5th clearly. That's the only way I saw the fight going. After watching the fight again recently, I actually became more convinced of a Rampage victory. Rampage did better than I originally suspected after watching the fight live.

The 5th could have gone either way. The 1st, 3rd, and 4th rounds were decisive rounds for Rampage, though.

Good points not to mention for most of the 3rd and 4th rounds Jackson was being the aggressor and actually hurt Forrest on a few occasions, Forrest was fighting scared during those two rounds IMO so I don't see how he could have gotten either one of those rounds considering not only did Jackson land clean and effective punches but he also stunned Griffin on a few occasions during those rounds. I dont' care how many leg kicks Forrest threw Jackson was doing more damage and trying to actually end the fight.

If they ever fight again I really don't see Jackson letting this go to the cards next time.

And don't mind D-Gonza Tiger, he had to find another favorite fighter after Chuck started getting his ass whooped by everybody.

First off, I never though Griffin won the fight clearly. I thought it was a close fight. I dont have access to the fight right now because I moved out of my dorm for the winter break. But I dont think in any way that Rampage won that fight clearly. I thought Griffin deserved a close victory but wouldn't have bitched had Rampage took the decision.


And Nate, I picked Rampage to win that fight by knockout in 2. So dont try and pass me off as some Pacquiao like Forrest fan because you get tight assed anytime a fighter of yours loses. Originally I remember you thinking it was a close fight that could've gone either way, now Rampage got robbed.

ya, what he said...Rampage lost..period. Got owned in the 2nd like a school girl..10-8...

i will go 10-7...

Sorry, I got confused. I meant that Rampage won rounds 1, 3, and 4 clearly. Forrest took round 2 and possibly round 5. After watching it live, I thought Rampage won but I thought that it was close and was frustrated that Rampage didn't do more. Having rewatched it, I'm not really too hard on Rampage anymore, because he landed more strikes than I originally thought. I watched it on an internet feed, so I couldn't tell whether some punches were landing cleanly or not. Having watched it on a television, I got to see which punches/kicks landed cleanly and which didn't.

I'd admit that Griffin beat Rampage if I thought it were true. I just did not see enough clean, effective striking from Forrest in rounds 1, 3, or 4 to give him those rounds. And, this isn't directed at you, but only a complete moron would have round 2 as a 10-8 round. That's just assinine.

Sorry, bud, no 10-8 round for a guy who lays on his opponent all round and does no damage while on top.

I agree man!

that it...come on kitten...

let me try this....Forrest SCHOOLED your Pride favorite...ya...Forrest KILLED the dream of Pride fighters being the best ever...


ya...














ok, well, i also watched it a few times after the first...and take away the 2nd round...ownage... it was close and could have gone either way...Forrest just did more...and did it more effective...

and sorry bout crapping on yer Tyson thread a while back..HD...I sometimes...enter the pound in a bad mood...

Its cool.