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krisntims
4 big fights. might be good night for the 2nd best promotion in mma.

gsxrsean
QUOTE(krisntims @ Nov 8 2009, 01:06 AM)
4 big fights. might be good night for the 2nd best promotion in mma.
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Better than anything UFC has offered lately...

krisntims
QUOTE(gsxrsean @ Nov 8 2009, 02:14 AM)
Better than anything UFC has offered lately...
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not realy.

1 superstar and the rest are B raters.
krisntims
silva's chin is just massive.

he easily won the 1st.
Dilly
In Canada we got this on delay until 9. I'm going to go watch the Dawson-Johnson fight first and check out this card later on. I'll check back on his thread in a couple of hours.
gsxrsean
QUOTE(krisntims @ Nov 8 2009, 01:24 AM)


he easily won the 1st.
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yep, but thats the only round I would give him.
krisntims
why wouldnt they make this a title bout? time reasons i guess. not wanting another 5 rounder but it doesnt make sense laugh.gif the LH champ fighting a LH contender at LH and its not a title bout.

mousasi should win this but i wouldnt be surprised if soku pulls it out.
gsxrsean
QUOTE(krisntims @ Nov 8 2009, 01:43 AM)
i wouldnt be surprised if soku pulls it out.
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he is holding his own for sure...
gsxrsean
Damn near punched himself out....


U watchin HBO also?? Angulo fight was BRUTAL!
krisntims
gotta love millers entrances.

ill be rooting for him.
gsxrsean
millers breathin way 2 hard already...
krisntims
got it 3-2 shields
Super Sultan Berto
QUOTE(krisntims @ Nov 7 2009, 11:42 PM)
got it 3-2 shields
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got it the same. mayhem should had kept it standing, he couldnt stop shields takedown for shyt. i thought it was a good fight.
gsxrsean
Here we go!!
krisntims
woo! what a first.

fedors nose looks broke.

closeer than i expected.
hughjastic
Fedor's kind of on Tyson status right now. He wins before he gets in the ring and he's quick and aggressive. He's great but he's going to lose if he keeps fighting.
gsxrsean
Rogers surprised the heck out of me... I thought Fedor would steam roll him...
diamondsmuggler
wow fedor was exposed just a little bit tonight. beautiful right to finish the fight but rogers was able to shrug off a lot of stuff that fedor normally finishes the fight with. rogers seemed a lot stronger than what fedor is used to. before tonight I thought lesnar would have no chance in holy hell against fedor but now I think it's a pick 'em fight, if not lesnar favourite.
qjames
never seen fedor fight before, i was impressed with his punching. wow
hughjastic
Who in the UFC can beat Fedor?
TITO4EVER
Fedor remains king of the world with an unreal punch. Great performance.
Joey
QUOTE(hughjastic @ Nov 8 2009, 04:17 AM)
Fedor's kind of on Tyson status right now. He wins before he gets in the ring and he's quick and aggressive. He's great but he's going to lose if he keeps fighting.
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ANYBODY will lose if they keep fighting, hellfire. That's just the same shit the announcers keep saying, the Tyson comparison's. Fedor has more of a wtf is this guy mystique, not the "I'm fighting a caged beast" mystique like with Tyson. Plus it's just a fuckin excuse people make to try and belittle him. Fedor wins because he's a combination of power, speed, awkward athleticism, and toughness that we've not seen in MMA until him. He's no where near as technically perfect in anything as other fighters, just a combo of being good at everything, but also having that factor that no one ever has been able to explain. He's just good because he was made to be that way.

I thought Rodgers was sort of a dick at the end. He barely gave any credit. Then after saying there was no way he'd be intimidated he brought up the fact at the end that maybe he was intimidated. And it wasn't really a fair fight, really, as far as weight class, just like in heavyweight boxing a man under 240 or so shouldn't be able to compete with a man so much bigger, but Fedor overcame it. And I mean when it's a guy over 240 that's not a damn freakish joke. Rodgers was no joke, he's athletic and gifted physically. But this all just proves the greatness of Fedor. Fedor could have retired and been fine. BUt they keep putting this bullshit out there now like "finally Fedor gets a chance to prove himself", wtf, he's done proved himself time and time again. They keep saying Fedor is performing on the world's biggest stage, but Fedor has fought for Pride in much bigger crowds his entire career. BUt now that he's in America, with Strikeforce, blahblahblah, finally he's proven he's legit is the way they are acting. His who's who resume he's already got hadn't proved anything unless he stepped in a freakin cage in America. No, Fedor was already the man before this, before he fought that overrated Andre Arlovski who never had a chin and plus was washed up. Fedor may lose his next fight, but he's cemented his place, or should have. And finally when someone does beat him the critics will say, "Finally someone wasn't intimidated by the Fedor mystique", but really, it will just be that that guy happens to be the better fighter that day either because Fedor has aged, or simply because that fighter is the better fighter. The guys that lose to Fedor now, and have been losing, have lost because they just aren't as good.

Great fights tonight, I thought Rodgers would pull the upset because of size, athleticism and the cage. I was wrong, Fedor is still the best and the best heavyweight of all-time. Night folks.
tigerthelion
Once again, Fedor finds a way to win. I'm sure people like Uncle Fester will talk about how sh*tty he looked, though. Fedor has to win every second of every round or he's overrated in some people's eyes. Fact is, he got his nose shattered by a jab less than a minute into the fight and ended up winning by TKO in the 2nd round. That shows resilience and that shows that he knows how to win.
The Akbar One
Rogers lost focus. Stood there not throwing and didn't block. His wind also sucked. He surprised me a lot with how he was able to hold his own on the ground.
ROCKYMARSHMELLOW
Fedor is the man, I buzz off how he can look in trouble and he always pulls something out of his ass to win. You can't knock that shit.





Fuk UFC, they may be the biggest org but they don't have the best fighter on the planet. And I fuking love that fact.



Great fight.
Joey
QUOTE(diamondsmuggler @ Nov 8 2009, 04:19 AM)
wow fedor was exposed just a little bit tonight. beautiful right to finish the fight but rogers was able to shrug off a lot of stuff that fedor normally finishes the fight with. rogers seemed a lot stronger than what fedor is used to. before tonight I thought lesnar would have no chance in holy hell against fedor but now I think it's a pick 'em fight, if not lesnar favourite.
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Exposed? Fedor has always been hittable, always been able to be outwrestled, for awhile, by top wrestlers, and has always looked beatable. That is until the fight is over and the other guy is comatose on the canvas, holding a shredded limb, or head down dejected from not being able to figure him out. Fedor looked the same, although in ways, better, than I've saw him. I don't know if anyone hadn't been watching Rodgers fights, or hadn't ever actually saw Fedor other than the part at the end with his arm raised, but to me this was just Fedor. My opinion anyway, but it's the right one. Lol. Fedor got hit with one punch on their feet, and got smashed with a couple on the ground by a near 300 pound fighter, and he didn't bat an eyelash. That's Fedor.
tigerthelion
QUOTE(Joey @ Nov 8 2009, 09:31 AM)
ANYBODY will lose if they keep fighting, hellfire. That's just the same shit the announcers keep saying, the Tyson comparison's. Fedor has more of a wtf is this guy mystique, not the "I'm fighting a caged beast" mystique like with Tyson. Plus it's just a fuckin excuse people make to try and belittle him. Fedor wins because he's a combination of power, speed, awkward athleticism, and toughness that we've not seen in MMA until him. He's no where near as technically perfect in anything as other fighters, just a combo of being good at everything, but also having that factor that no one ever has been able to explain. He's just good because he was made to be that way.

I thought Rodgers was sort of a dick at the end. He barely gave any credit. Then after saying there was no way he'd be intimidated he brought up the fact at the end that maybe he was intimidated. And it wasn't really a fair fight, really, as far as weight class, just like in heavyweight boxing a man under 240 or so shouldn't be able to compete with a man so much bigger, but Fedor overcame it. And I mean when it's a guy over 240 that's not a damn freakish joke. Rodgers was no joke, he's athletic and gifted physically. But this all just proves the greatness of Fedor. Fedor could have retired and been fine. BUt they keep putting this bullsquirt out there now like "finally Fedor gets a chance to prove himself", wtf, he's done proved himself time and time again. They keep saying Fedor is performing on the world's biggest stage, but Fedor has fought for Pride in much bigger crowds his entire career. BUt now that he's in America, with Strikeforce, blahblahblah, finally he's proven he's legit is the way they are acting. His who's who resume he's already got hadn't proved anything unless he stepped in a freakin cage in America. No, Fedor was already the man before this, before he fought that overrated Andre Arlovski who never had a chin and plus was washed up. Fedor may lose his next fight, but he's cemented his place, or should have. And finally when someone does beat him the critics will say, "Finally someone wasn't intimidated by the Fedor mystique", but really, it will just be that that guy happens to be the better fighter that day either because Fedor has aged, or simply because that fighter is the better fighter. The guys that lose to Fedor now, and have been losing, have lost because they just aren't as good.

Great fights tonight, I thought Rodgers would pull the upset because of size, athleticism and the cage. I was wrong, Fedor is still the best and the best heavyweight of all-time. Night folks.
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It was a very good night of fights. Shields is just a stinker that nobody wants to watch fight, though. His BJJ is top notch and he has good wrestling, but he is just boring as f*ck.

It's funny that GSP can lose to a pug like Serra, but now every UFC hugger talks about how much better he is than Fedor, yet if Fedor would have lost tonight those people would be talking about how Fedor isn't very good and that he was always overrated. Fedor is the only MMA fighter who isn't allowed to lose, apparently. GSP can get stopped by a guy who was barely gatekeeper status at 170, Silva can be submitted by a gatekeeper, but Fedor has to win every fight or else he's a bum. Even if Fedor did lose tonight, it wouldn't have been a huge deal. Chuck Liddell loses fight after fight and Uncle Fester still goes on about how he's better than Fedor....and on and on.
Joey
QUOTE(tigerthelion @ Nov 8 2009, 04:31 AM)
Once again, Fedor finds a way to win.  I'm sure people like Uncle Fester will talk about how sh*tty he looked, though.  Fedor has to win every second of every round or he's overrated in some people's eyes.  Fact is, he got his nose shattered by a jab less than a minute into the fight and ended up winning by TKO in the 2nd round.  That show's resilience and that shows that he knows how to win.
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hughjastic
QUOTE(Joey @ Nov 8 2009, 04:31 AM)
ANYBODY will lose if they keep fighting, hellfire. That's just the same shit the announcers keep saying, the Tyson comparison's. Fedor has more of a wtf is this guy mystique, not the "I'm fighting a caged beast" mystique like with Tyson. Plus it's just a fuckin excuse people make to try and belittle him. Fedor wins because he's a combination of power, speed, awkward athleticism, and toughness that we've not seen in MMA until him. He's no where near as technically perfect in anything as other fighters, just a combo of being good at everything, but also having that factor that no one ever has been able to explain. He's just good because he was made to be that way.

I thought Rodgers was sort of a dick at the end. He barely gave any credit. Then after saying there was no way he'd be intimidated he brought up the fact at the end that maybe he was intimidated. And it wasn't really a fair fight, really, as far as weight class, just like in heavyweight boxing a man under 240 or so shouldn't be able to compete with a man so much bigger, but Fedor overcame it. And I mean when it's a guy over 240 that's not a damn freakish joke. Rodgers was no joke, he's athletic and gifted physically. But this all just proves the greatness of Fedor. Fedor could have retired and been fine. BUt they keep putting this bullsquirt out there now like "finally Fedor gets a chance to prove himself", wtf, he's done proved himself time and time again. They keep saying Fedor is performing on the world's biggest stage, but Fedor has fought for Pride in much bigger crowds his entire career. BUt now that he's in America, with Strikeforce, blahblahblah, finally he's proven he's legit is the way they are acting. His who's who resume he's already got hadn't proved anything unless he stepped in a freakin cage in America. No, Fedor was already the man before this, before he fought that overrated Andre Arlovski who never had a chin and plus was washed up. Fedor may lose his next fight, but he's cemented his place, or should have. And finally when someone does beat him the critics will say, "Finally someone wasn't intimidated by the Fedor mystique", but really, it will just be that that guy happens to be the better fighter that day either because Fedor has aged, or simply because that fighter is the better fighter. The guys that lose to Fedor now, and have been losing, have lost because they just aren't as good.

Great fights tonight, I thought Rodgers would pull the upset because of size, athleticism and the cage. I was wrong, Fedor is still the best and the best heavyweight of all-time. Night folks.
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I mean... on one hand I want to agree but on the other hand I want to remind people that Rogers is not by any stretch of the imagination a great HW mmartist. He's big. He's athletic and he's made a few ripples.

To be honest, I'd love to see Fedor against some of the UFC 205ers.
tigerthelion
QUOTE(ROCKYMARSHMELLOW @ Nov 8 2009, 09:35 AM)
Fedor is the man,  I buzz off how he can look in trouble and he always pulls something out of his ass to win.  You can't knock that shit. 
Fuk UFC,  they may be the biggest org but they don't have the best fighter on the planet.  And I fuking love that fact. 
Great fight.
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Nice post. Same thing with Big Nog. He'd get smashed for a while and then pull out a submission victory out of nowhere. You gotta give credit where it is due. The objective is to win and Fedor wins better than any other fighter in MMA.
tigerthelion
QUOTE(Joey @ Nov 8 2009, 09:35 AM)
Exposed? Fedor has always been hittable, always been able to be outwrestled, for awhile, by top wrestlers, and has always looked beatable. That is until the fight is over and the other guy is comatose on the canvas, holding a shredded limb, or head down dejected from not being able to figure him out. Fedor looked the same, although in ways, better, than I've saw him. I don't know if anyone hadn't been watching Rodgers fights, or hadn't ever actually saw Fedor other than the part at the end with his arm raised, but to me this was just Fedor. My opinion anyway, but it's the right one. Lol. Fedor got hit with one punch on their feet, and got smashed with a couple on the ground by a near 300 pound fighter, and he didn't bat an eyelash. That's Fedor.
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True. It's another double standard that Fedor is held to. Couture can get knocked out over and over but that just shows his heart and his greatness that he keeps coming back and winning one, losing one, winning one, losing one. Fedor takes a couple of punches and people talk about how vulnerable he is and how overrated he is. It's balderdash. Uncle Fester called Fedor a bum after he beat Sylvia and AA, citing that they weren't good wins. Fester gave Couture more credit for getting his a.ss beaten by Big Nog (the guy Fedor handled in dominant fashion)than he gives Fedor when he wins.
Joey
QUOTE(The Akbar One @ Nov 8 2009, 04:33 AM)
Rogers lost focus.  Stood there not throwing and didn't block.  His wind also sucked.  He surprised me a lot with how he was able to hold his own on the ground.
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280 pounds and huge power, nothing more. He didn't use any technique to get out of anything or really on top. He's just a big ass dude with awesome power. I thought he was totally focused, just too hyped for his own good. Basically, he lost, most weren't suprised. I was a bit because I thought Fedor was getting a little long in the tooth, and Fedor hasn't had a great work rate since Pride went away. But it's just impossible to hold a huge guy down, that is until that guy is gassed. Rodgers actually had good cardio for a big man.
tigerthelion
QUOTE(hughjastic @ Nov 8 2009, 09:37 AM)
I mean... on one hand I want to agree but on the other hand I want to remind people that Rogers is not by any stretch of the imagination a great HW mmartist. He's big. He's athletic and he's made a few ripples.

To be honest, I'd love to see Fedor against some of the UFC 205ers.
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Rogers is every bit as accomplished as Carwin and Velasquez.
TITO4EVER
Joey youre completely right. If Fedor does lose his next fight it won't mean a thing IMO. He's established himself as the greatest of all-time. It's amazing to see the GOAT during our time. Not like SRR or Ali or Marciano where we can only look at old videos. We look forward to Fedor's fights. He's #1 currently, pound for pound, and all time. He's also getting older, his body has been through alot I wont be surprised to see him take a step back in his skills during next fights.
TITO4EVER
QUOTE(tigerthelion @ Nov 8 2009, 12:43 AM)
Rogers is every bit as accomplished as Carwin and Velasquez.
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Rogers is more accomplished IMO as he's fought the best fighter of all-time. Even though he lost he's got that on Carwin and Cain, he can say he fought the #1 heavyweight.
ROCKYMARSHMELLOW
Get that fuking big sted head Lesnar in there with Fedor before Fedor loses his prime, sick to death of seeing people say Lesnar would beat him. What planet are these fukers living on.
tigerthelion
Every Fedor fight is must see. Look at his last three fights. He choked out Sylvia in the blink of an eye, he KTFO AA with a highlight reel one punch KO, and he just TKO'd Rogers by pretty much ending the fight with one punch and this was after having his nose shattered in the 1st round and taking some pretty brutal g n p shots from his opponent in the 1st. The guy is a machine, but he's human. He can be knocked out like any human being can. He'll probably lose in his next couple of fights but, knowing him, it wouldn't shock me if he never lost again. The guy is a living legend.
Super Sultan Berto
QUOTE(ROCKYMARSHMELLOW @ Nov 8 2009, 12:46 AM)
Get that fuking big sted head Lesnar in there with Fedor before Fedor loses his prime,  sick to death of seeing people say Lesnar would beat him.  What planet are these fukers living on.
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yeah, the lesnar craze is ridiculous. after seeing rogers performance, i think he would give lesnar a run for his money.
tigerthelion
QUOTE(Super Sultan Berto @ Nov 8 2009, 10:04 AM)
yeah, the lesnar craze is ridiculous.  after seeing rogers performance, i think he would give lesnar a run for his money.
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I'm not sure if he could beat Lesnar, but Rogers seriously was better than I expected.
hughjastic
QUOTE(tigerthelion @ Nov 8 2009, 04:43 AM)
Rogers is every bit as accomplished as Carwin and Velasquez.
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Which is to say what? He's every bit as accomplished as other HWs who are not accomplished? Exactly my point.
hughjastic
I think Fedor is amazing. I just don't like his comp of late. But whatever, he produces time and time again. He stays poised, gets banged up and then gets you the hell out of there with a quickness.
tigerthelion
QUOTE(hughjastic @ Nov 8 2009, 11:12 AM)
Which is to say what? He's every bit as accomplished as other HWs who are not accomplished? Exactly my point.
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Why was Lesnar/Carwin considered a fight between two top HW's any more than Fedor/Rogers was? Who could Fedor fight that is accomplished? He's already beaten Nog, Couture isn't relevant right now, Lesnar hasn't done much except beat mediocore Mir, Velasquez just beat the guy who AA stopped not long ago, Carwin beat the guy Werdum stopped. I guess my point is that Strikeforce's HW's should probably get more respect than they are getting as they are as accomplished or more accomplished than most UFC heavyweights. Maybe Brock and Cain and Carwin are the real deal but we don't know yet. There is nobody for Fedor to fight who won't be questioned.
tigerthelion
QUOTE(hughjastic @ Nov 8 2009, 11:15 AM)
I think Fedor is amazing. I just don't like his comp of late. But whatever, he produces time and time again. He stays poised, gets banged up and then gets you the hell out of there with a quickness.
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Maybe he could fight the ever dangerous Frank Mir or Ben Rothwell or the dominant Gonzaga. horse.gif

Seriously, who could he fight where people didn't question his opposition? How can Brock get so much credit for beating Handy and going 1-1 with Mir? Would Handy even beat Rogers? I'm not sure.
hughjastic
Don't get me wrong, I agree with you and think that he's fighting whomever is put in front of him. I guess I'm just bummed about the state of heavyweights in general.

Cain V. he knocks out standing. Kongo, he takes to the ground and crushes. Lesnar... well that's a fight but only because Lesnar is huge. All things equal, Fedor destroys him.

I was one of the idiots who thought that Arlovski had a chance to upset him based on hands and athleticism.

Is there a big, calm BJJ guy out there who can take a punch and settle in to a long fight? (who's not 105 years old?)

Willikn
QUOTE(TITO4EVER @ Nov 8 2009, 04:45 AM)
Rogers is more accomplished IMO as he's fought the best fighter of all-time. Even though he lost he's got that on Carwin and Cain, he can say he fought the #1 heavyweight.
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Dude I could get KO'd by Fedor.

Doesn't make me accomplished.

If it is accomplishments we speak of, CC and Nog are on the UFC roster. If it is threats we speak of, Cain and Carwin remain #1 and #1a in my mind until these guys lose a round.
TITO4EVER
QUOTE(hughjastic @ Nov 8 2009, 02:12 AM)
Which is to say what? He's every bit as accomplished as other HWs who are not accomplished? Exactly my point.
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Well Cain has been proving himself. Strong showing and dominant perfomances against Ben Rothwell and Chieck Kongo are very good wins over seasoned pros. Great names to have on a resume.
TITO4EVER
QUOTE(Willikn @ Nov 8 2009, 02:26 AM)
Dude I could get KO'd by Fedor.

Doesn't make me accomplished.

If it is accomplishments we speak of, CC and Nog are on the UFC roster.  If it is threats we speak of, Cain and Carwin remain  #1 and #1a in my mind until these guys lose a round.
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If I had to sign Cain, Carwin, or Rogers I'd choose Rogers. Cain and Carwin havent fought anyone on Fedor's level. Rogers has and impressed everyone even in defeat.
tigerthelion
QUOTE(Willikn @ Nov 8 2009, 11:26 AM)
Dude I could get KO'd by Fedor.

Doesn't make me accomplished.

If it is accomplishments we speak of, CC and Nog are on the UFC roster.  If it is threats we speak of, Cain and Carwin remain  #1 and #1a in my mind until these guys lose a round.
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I said that Rogers was as accomplished because he beat AA, which is every bit as credible as a win over Gonzaga and more credible than a win over Kongo/Rothwell. Nog is very accomplished..he's probably the #2 HW of all time in MMA. Fedor already beat him so no need to see it again. He already beat CC, too, so that fight is irrelevant right now (especially considering that CC is shot). Cain and Carwin may be real threats, but they haven't done anything that Rogers didn't do before fighting Fedor.
tigerthelion
QUOTE(TITO4EVER @ Nov 8 2009, 11:37 AM)
Well Cain has been proving himself. Strong showing and dominant perfomances against Ben Rothwell and Chieck Kongo are very good wins over seasoned pros. Great names to have on a resume.
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AA stopped Rothwell and nobody could rate Kongo ahead of AA, either. Cain has some decent wins, but a win over AA is still as impressive if not moreso.
Bondok
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