lets put em side by side.

HW, LH, M, W and L.

top 3 in each division vs. one another.

HW strikeforce: fedor, werdum, overeem.
HW ufc: lesnar, nog, mir (could put dls, carwin or cain for either but ill go with the vets)
advantage: UFC, besides fedor, strikeforce got nada.

LH SF: mousasi, sobral, lawal.
LH UFC: machida, rua, evans.
advantage: UFC, the worst of UFCs best (evans) probally beats the top SF LH (mousasi).

M SF: shields, miller, lawler.
M UFC: silva, marquardt, belfort (hendo if he signs).
advantage: SF, this is strikeforces best division by far. silva may be the best but marq and belfort suck imo. sf has a good MW division.

W SF: diaz, hieron, ludwig.
W UFC: gsp, fitch, alves.
advatage: ufc, and it aint even close.

L SF: thomson, melendez, ishida.
L UFC: penn, florian, maynard.
advantage: ufc, though closer than it looks.

thats it. some guys might be able to be subsituted for others but as a whole its clear.

UFC>SF

Nate Marquart destroys any and all of the Strikeforce MWs...Anderson crushed him. UFC MWs are better even if White is right about Hendo signing with SF

Yeah, this isn't close at all. Lawler is a UFC flame out. Shields wouldn't crack the UFC top 5 at welter, much less MW. There's your Strikeforce MW division.

Guys like Maia and Sonnen would rule the SF MW division.

I believe Nate and Vitor destroy the likes of Shields and Lawler. They are one hell of a lot bigger. More diverse. IMO, more talented in their given areas of expertise.

Mayhem, Shields, and Lawler, probably all welters in the UFC. Not near the top five at welter either.

I agree with some of your points but not a good analysis ...

1) HW: SF has Fedor therefore at HW: SF>UFC (besides I bet Werdum and Overeem could beat Nog and Mir at this point)...the UFC can basically create names like Carwin, Valasquez, Dos Santos but they are still unproven IMO

2) LH: UFC has the advantage due to having Shogun and Machida BUT within a years time we could be talking about Mousasi like Anderson Silva (no way in hell does Evans--who had a draw with Tito and was getting whupped by Forrest--win over Mousasi...where do you come up with this??!)
PS: watch out for Luis "Banha" Cane in the UFC...this guy will be coming up big time.

3) MW: SF has really no MW division to speak of...Cung Le? c'mon...don't even mention Miller (who is going to lose again to Jacare) or Lawler (Diaz?)...and you are SERIOUSLY underestimating Nate Marquardt and Belfort...UFC hands down

4) WW: I agree. SF has nothing.

5) LW: I agree here as well.

Heavyweights:
UFC: Lesnar, Cain Velasquez, Nogueira
Strikeforce: Fedor, Rogers, Werdum

Light Heavyweights:
UFC: Machida, Shogun, Rashad Evans
Strikeforce: Mousasi, Babalu, Soko

Middleweights:
UFC: Anderson Silva, Henderson, Marquardt
Strikeforce: Shields, Miller, Cung Le

Welterweights:
UFC: GSP, Fitch, Alves
Strikeforce: ????

Lightweights:
UFC: BJ Penn, Sanchez, Florian
Strikeforce: Thompson, Melendez, ???

I agree that Strikeforce's strongest division its its 185 division. They don't have any elite fighters in the division, but they have several guys who are evenly match up with each other.

He resigned with the UFC?

I don't expect him to wind up anywhere else. If you want to switch him out with Vitor its the same result.

True. I thought I might have missed that story.

Mousasi is one of the best 205lbrs in the world. I'd favor him over Evans.

As would I. But He would lose to Rua.

Off subject. Met Mayhem just more then a few times. I know u don't give a sh*t, but u and heavy best make plans to get here to islands when possible.

SF has Shinya Aoki.

That's nice, but he would lose to Rua.

Looks like it might be Marquart v Sonnen at UFC 110...should be a fun fight

Marquardt would beat Shields,Miller and Lawler.

It's too early to compare. SF needs real deep divisions.

GSP and Alvez would run through 'em. Equal size right there.

Marquardt is gonna kick Sonnen's ass. Sonnen's only chance will be wrestling and I'm not sure Sonnen is better at grapplilng in MMA than Marquardt is.

you guys under rate shields and miller and over rate marq and belfort.

you can't be serious...who did shields beat at Middleweight? Give Miller another 5 seconds and he would have been champ.

As for Mayhem, he is a clown that really does not have any elite wins...got KO'd by Trigg and lost cleanly to Jacare...just look at him, what does he bring to the table other than tenacity? Both Mayhem and Shields would lose to Maia pretty easily and even Franklin at his diminished state

Dude, they are just too small to be considered at MW. Neither is any bigger than GSP, Fitch, or Alves.

HW-- Werdum > Mir
Fedor > everyone
Overeem > Mir

LH--Mousasi beats Rashad, but not sure about Rua or Evans.

MW--if Hendo signs with Strikeforce, it's a formidable top three for Strikeforce, but UFC is better, IMO. Silva beats all of them, Nate (as much as I hate to say it) beats all of them unless we count Hendo.

WW--Yeah, UFC owns this division. Diaz is a MW in Strikeforce though isn't he? Diaz at 170 could beat Fitch and Alves, IMO, though.

LW--Penn is the best in the world. Aoki, Hansen, and Alvarez are a better trio than Strikeforce's trio and overall, they might be close to UFC's. I think Penn beats them all, but I think all three would have a shot at Florian and Alvarez could beat Maynard. I actually think Melendez would probably beat Florian and possibly Maynard. Thomson would have a decent chance of beating them, too.

When did they get him?

Franklin isn't even close to being shot, IMO.

Sometime last week.

Yeah, I agree that Franklin isn't shot as a fighter. There's no shame in losing to Anderson Silva twice, he did a hell of a lot better against Silva than a lot of others did. Against Vitor, he just got clipped. I think 80% of the time Franklin beats Vitor.

Great pickup. He has no standup but his ground game is sick. I'd like to see Aoki/Penn grapple. I think Penn would win but maybe that's me being biased. Whatever. Maybe without the pants, Aoki is ordinary though. Not sure.

I think Penn would probably beat Aoki's ass. Its a great pickup by Strikeforce though. They really only got Thompson and Melendez and Thompson finds a new reason not to fight every other week.

Alves would whip Diaz ass

Not so sure. Alves is overrated. He's very good, but he looked about as bad as Penn did against GSP. At least Penn had the excuse that he is a blown up lightweight.

Alves gave GSP too much respect. Diaz isn't all that. He'd get his ass beat like he did against Noons.

Fight was stopped on a cut. Diaz is a warrior. I hated the Diaz brothers for a while, but I've come to appreciate Nick as a fighter as time has passed. He'd beat Noons in a rematch. Alves lost to Spencer Fisher.

Diaz was well on his way to losing before that cut stopped the fight. Noons would beat him again if they fought as well, Diaz doesn't belong at 155.

whats with your hate for frank mir?

its funny to me that you give rua a pass for his losses and poor performances because he had a lil twisted knee, nog a pass for the flu and staph, yet mir who had his knee twisted around nearly 360 degrees gets no pass and his losses legit double standards at its best.

nah, mir dominates werdum and mir dominates overeem. neither fight would be close.

mousasi beats rashad but not sure about evans? what?

well thats the problem with strikeforce. that argument can be made for everyone of their fighters. even fedor, who has he beat in the last 5 years? thats the nature of the beast fighting for B promotions. i think shields has skill based on the weak opposition ive seen him fight. if he ever fights in the ufc he will prove it.

as for miller...thats yet another problem with strikeforce and different mma promotions in general. when comparing strikeforce to ufc, one must also take into consideration the difference in rules. miller lost to trigg due to soccer kicks to the head, soccer kicks to the head are not legal in the ufc.

maia cant take a punch. he has bjj and thats it. he freezes and almosts shits himself when an opponent comes at him. miller KOs him, as does shields.

Shields KO's Maia? You do know that'd be the first standing KO Shields has ever had, right?

If anyone in MMA has a worse standup game than Maia, it is Shields.

i think he would KO him with gnp. that little full body shiver that maia does when he gets popped isnt good.

It has only happened the one time. He was caught clean on the chin by a guy that hits really hard. I imagine most anyone goes "full body shiver" on a shot like that.

Shields punches like a girl. Even when he's got full mount. Shields amazes me in that he's such a great athlete but has standup that bad. Throws punches like Shaq does.

Maybe not. Thing with the Alves fight is that it would be at 170. So, in that respect, the Noons fight is about as relevant as the Fisher fight was for Alves.

Hate for Mir ? Little twisted knee ? Your hate for Pride fighters is rampant. Double standards? What about Mir's performance in his last fight? You know, the one where the supposed BJJ great looked like a blue belt on the ground against a novice. Heath Herring got back to his feet a couple of times after Brock was on top of him, but Mir was on his back and couldn't do a thing. What does Mir's accident have to do with his BJJ defense on the ground being horrible time and time and time again?

Sorry, typo. Mousasi would beat Evans but not sure about Rua or Machida.

Mir's win over Nog was a fluke. Believe that.

Mir sucks. Nog would beat him in a rematch. Vera would beat him in a rematch. Cruz would probably beat him in a rematch.

Fedor beat three top 10 ranked HW's in his last three fights.

I'm sure that if Shields used to fight in Pride, you'd be calling him a bum.

Shields KOs Maia? Have you seen Shields' standup? It's probably worse than Maia's.

Shields' ground and pound is weak. His g n p is as bad as his standup. You think Maia isn't gonna be able to control Shields on the ground, on top or on the bottom?

And Krisntims, Jason Millers standup is better but really who has he KOd in the standup? I really don't know where you are pulling this shit from but it seems borderline flaming

Maia is a better version of Jacare and he would possibly submit Mayhem even Chael Sonnen beats Mayhem...again.

I don't know about that one. He dominated the fight for more than a round before stopping him in a brutal way.

Now his win against Lesnar, that may qualify as a fluke. Big help from the jackass Mazzagatti.

Shields' GnP qualifies as ground without the pound. Ground and tickle. Ground and leg hump. That's about it. Clay Guida does more pounding than Shields... and that's really saying something.

mcdonald also had success stand up vs. him until gettin sloppy.

mir dominated nog and he would do it again.

sonnen is over rated right now due to beating filho and okami. of course he also lost to filho and shields beat okami right in the middle of okami's prime. how does sonnen get cred for an okami win but shields doesnt? okami was a betetr fighter then comin off a silva win.

miller lost by decision in his 4th fight to sonnen in '02, we bringin up shit from 02? ok then, lets hold sonnens roflstomp loss to terry martin, losses jeremy horn and forrest griffin in that same time frame up as well. sorta knocks sonnen down a few pegs doesnt it?

jacare is the same as maia, a bjj expert with a shithouse chin.