KLITSCHKO STILL CRAVES LEWIS RE-MATCH

By Johannes Berendt, PA Sport, Mannheim

Former world heavyweight champion Vitali Klitschko has admitted he would be tempted to have one more fight - but only if Lennox Lewis also comes out of retirement and grants him a rematch.

Lewis stopped a badly-cut Klitschko in the sixth round in Los Angeles in 2003 and has not fought again, while Klitschko went on to claim the WBC crown and defended it once before retiring due to injury.

Klitschko watched his younger brother Wladimir claim the IBF crown with a seventh- round stoppage of Chris Byrd in Mannheim on Saturday night then admitted: "When Lennox Lewis comes I will do one more fight.

"Please speak to Lennox Lewis. It all depends on him. If he makes his comeback, I will be ready to make a comeback myself. Right now there is not a reason to fight. If (I) fight, then Lennox."

Klitschko was ahead on all three judges� scorecards before their bloody encounter was controversially stopped due to a deep cut above his eye.

"I had a dream after the fight. I won the fight," added Klitschko. "But in my fight record I was losing. Not just me but the media and all boxing fans wait for a second fight. And I will be very happy to fight him again but it does not depend on me."

For the time being, Klitschko is focusing on his political career in the Ukraine where he recently failed in his bid to become mayor of Kiev, and he insists he has not regretted his decision to hang up his gloves.

Klitschko added: "My heart will remain in this sport for my entire life but at some point you have to call it a career. Last year I had three surgeries and had to postpone three fights. Had I continued and then underwent another surgery I would have been a worldwide laughing stock. I simply could not carry on."

Vitali also said he was very proud of his brother Wladimir who claimed a version of the heavyweight title for the second time courtesy of his comprehensive victory over long-serving American champion Byrd.

"I have always said he has more talent than me. If he fights to his potential he could be a second Lennox Lewis. He has got what it takes to be a great fighter."

What would be the point, by the time it took place it would be 5/6 years after the original fight.

NO thanks!

I agree, Lewis was out of shape his body was soft.

What gets me is why is he OK to take on someone as dangerous as Lewis, but when it comes to fighting fighters that are actually in his era and still active all of sudden he cant cos he has career threatning injury's.


Klits is just looking for one glory shot instead of doing the hard work like Lewis did and beating everyone in his era and fighting all comers, Vitali thinks that somehow he can get a quick fix and beating a 40 odd year old fighter who has been retired for 3 years gives him that glory.

A legacy is about a body of work that you get over a period of time, not just two fights against a fighter who was at the end of his career in the 1st place.


Vitali needs to get a grip and if he is capable of fighting Lewis at the drop of a hat then why is he not capable of fighting anyone else out there. Lazy ass fighter looking to make a name off the back of Lewis, I would love Lewis to come back and drop the big lump but then I think let the fooker rot because no one will even remember his name in 10 years time.

And he still won... and smashed his face to bits.

Hardly Vitali wasn't the one who was about to collapse, he was controlling the fight very well and outboxing Lewis effectively and almost had Lennox out in round 2. Except for those couple uppercuts, and rabbit punches by Lennox, what else did Lennox do in round 6??

Vlad beat him then, would beat him today. ....................Body was soft, wasn't prepared, only had two...............Give it up, Vlad didn't look tired and without the cut Lewis was history!

get over it

Hypocrisy at its best. Didn't Lennox chase down a well past his prime Tyson for the same type of "career defining" glory fight with a shot fighter? You are such a bleeping idiot to spout this garbage about Vitali, yet your lover affair with Lennox precludes you from seeing that he actually did what Vitali is trying to do.

Get off LL and start calling it like it is. It is hypocritical to post this rubbish and I will not stand for it.

slight difference, Tyson was active, lennox isnt, tyson wanted the fight, was chasing it, had warm up fights, and positioned himself for a shot, which lennox gave him.

very different situation

Lennox had his "career defining fights" with Holyfield and Tyson well past their primes yet it is not okay for Vitali? Can't have it both ways. Tyson was well worse off after being in prison 3 years then he fought him 7 years after that!!!!!!!!! If you accept LL beating Tyson than you must except Vitali pounding a over the hill Lewis as well. Lennox got out at the right time as he knew he can no longer fight tough guys like Vitali, who still is only slightly younger than Lewis.

Lennox made his name off a past his best but still dangerous fighter in Holyfield, and a shot Tyson, yet he did not look good against a past his prime Holyfield, including losing the second fight. Just stating the facts as I can't stand people giving a double standard.

You call Tyson being active as 1 fight every 16 months, including being 240lbs against Brien Nielson as a title eliminator??????? Stop it already. Tyson was forced into the fight to pay people off!!!! He needed the payday. He sacrificed himself for the greater good. He did not position for anything as evidenced by his outburst to get him out of the fight at the press conference. Tyson had not wanted to be a fighter for a long time. He quit being a fighter the time he bit holy's ear. He did not take himself seriously after that point. Tyson was incarcerated from 1991 to 1995. Almost 4 years of doing nothing. Then he went 7 more years after more degeneration to fight a Champion Lewis. I'd SAY lENNOX HAS A BETTER CHANCE OF COMING BACK AFTER 3 YEARS THAN DID TYSON AFTER HIS COMEBACK!!!!!

i call active not having announced a retirement and declaring you are still competiting and want fights

exactly.

he should get his arse in gear and get back in that ring.

Right. Active in name only though. Tyson was hanging on because he had to in order to get paid. He was mentally and physically out of it at any point after 1998. He fought Lewis after beating Nielson, Savarese, Orlin Norris, and other bums. He had not fought anybody near the top ten since he bested Frans Botha in 1998. All Im saying is you cannot say Vitali is picking on a poor defensless Lewis because Lewis did the same to Tyson in even more irrelevant manner.

Why? He does not view this current crop of heavies as any kind of challenge so why waste your time. He knows Lennox was the best at his time and he wants to prove he was the better man because in his heart he believes he was that night. I thought Lewis was not at his best that night and was going to be in for a beating. He got lucky he opened that cut because Vitali was the better man that particular night. Lennox was not going to last much longer at that pace, and that was Vitali's strongpoint. He felt cheated that his destiny was interrupted by a fluke. Yes he lost on cuts but he was the better man that night.

i am saying that vitali is calling out a retired boxer who is retired, said he was retired and is from the previous era, whereas Lewis was called out by Tyson, an active fighter from the same generation and it is not lewis business whether tyson was interested etc etc, fact is Tyson was active, ranked, calling him out, public demanded it, and so it happened.

Not even close to vitali calling out Lewis, a fighter who he caught at an advanced age, from the previous generation who happens to have earned his stripes and retired.

Oh, and btw, you are aware of course that Lennox beat Vitali right? Oh, of course, Vitali hurt Lewis in the second round, and so that means he won the fight doesnt it because history has never shown a fighter to be stunned in a round and come back to win anyway has it?

You know, thats all it takes to win a bout isnt it, stun the other guy in one of the rounds, and bollox to the rest of the fight. You are aware the object of the exercise is to either outpoint the other fella, (do better in more rounds) or to prevent the other guy from reaching the final bell. This can be done by either knocking him on the floor for a count of 10, beating him so bad the fight is stopped or inflicting cuts on him so severe, the fight must also be stopped.

Unless i am mistaken, lewis achieved this, whether he was puffing or not is irrelevant, how do you know that he didnt realise fight was probably only going another couple rounds, so instead of conserving energy he decided to throw caution to the wind and engage him harder for a shorter (winning) period.

You did happen to notice that after the second round big ole vitali was walking backwards, throwing solid shots true, but also solid shots that lennox began to walk through enabling him to inflict further fight stopping injuries

even though klit was ahead, he looked worse for wear. yes lewis was TIRED but klit was looking pretty bad himself plus the cuts. he was worse for wear than lewis

Your proof that he was about to collapse consists of what exactly? You were inside his body and mind? You knew how he was feeling inside right?

Oh, and so what if Vitali was leading on the cards, that means that he was going to win does it? I mean, we have never seen guys come from behind have we?
ever heard of Billy Conn and some chap called Joe Louis?

As i said in a previous post, you are aware of the ways to win a boxing match arent you? They include striking the target area and inflicting fight ending cuts, i may have watched the wrong fight here, cos I thought that was what happened.

an out of shape lewis still managed to tear apart vitalis face he had his chance and blew it time to carry your brothers spit bucket

I cannot pretend I would know the outcome of that fight if that cut hadn't happened. LL won fair and square. In my opinion, watching the fight I thought Vitali was the better man that night.

What I do know are facts. You seem to be missing the point on alot of issues in regards to Tyson that I clearly explained. You either ignored them, or you just can't process information effectively.

Tyson was a circus show after the Holyfield fights. Everything he did after that showed he was just looking for attention and a payday. The more attention he got, the better hispayday would be. Tyson was a smart promoter. He played a character. I know someone who was close to Tyson at one point of his life. He was a very weird fellow and very unsure of himself. He truly played a character when he said he wanted to eat Lewis's children as evidenced by the fact he was without child, therfore Tyson was using that as a symbol rather than to be taken literally by all the uneducated folk who mostly follows boxing unfortunately. He knew what he was doing although very irrational and ridiculous.

Here is what I am saying. TYSON WAS NOT A REAL FIGHTER AFTER 1997 OR AFTER THE BITE FIGHT. HE WAS JUST TRYING FOR A PAYDAY EITHER AGAINST EVANDER OR WHOEVER WAS CHAMP. LENNOX BECAME CHAMP AND WAS THE BIG PAYDAY. TYSON HUNG ON TO GET THAT PAYDAY BY STAYING ACTIVE AGAINST HAND PICKED CANNON FODDER. HE TRAINED IN HAWAAII FOR PETE SAKE TO GET IN SHAPE FOR THE HEAYWEIGHT CHAMPION. USE COMMON SENSE BUDDY, STOP LYING TO YOURSELF AND GET OVER THE FACT THAT TYSON ACTUALLY THOUGHT HE HAD A CHANCE AGAINST LEWIS OR ANY OTHER CHAMPION THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN AT THAT TIME. TYSONS PRIME WAS 1988. LENNOX LEWIS WAS AT HIS PEAK IN 1998. 10 YEARS APART!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AGE MEANS NOTHING WHEN YOU FIGHT AT DIFFERENT LEVELS IN A CARREER. LENNOX FOUGHT AND LOST IN THE 1984 OLYMPICS TO BIGGS. HE THEN STAYED AN AMATUER ANOTHER 4 YEARS WHILE TYSON WAS BECOMING THE BEST IN THE WORLD ALONG WITH EVANDER. WHEN LL TURNED PRO, TYSON WAS ONE OFF THE ALL TIME GREATS ACCORDING TO SOME , AND EVANDER WAS THE POUND FOR POUND KING AS UNDISPUTED CRUISERWEIGHT CHAMP WHO TURNED HEAYWEIGHT. LENNOX SKIPPED AN ERA ENTIRELY WHEN HE DID NOT TURN PRO IN 1985. HE HAD MUCH LESS WEAR AND TEAR ON HIM AND HAD MUCH MORE MOTIVATION LATER IN THOSE YEARS BECAUSE HE HAD NOT ACCOMPLISHED HIMSELF LIKE HOLYFIELD DID FROM 1987 TO 1997, AND TYSON FROM 1986 TO 1991. LENNOX MADE HIS BONES FROM 1996-2002. VITALI WAS WBO CHAMP IN 1997 AND THEREFORE HE WAS AS MUCH IN LENNOX'S ERA AS LENNOX WAS IN EVANDER'S AND TYSON'S ERA. VITALI HAD A RIGHT TO PROVE HIMSELF AGAINST LENNOX BECAUSE LENNOX CAME IN LATE IN THE PRO'S. HE WAS THE SAME AGE AS TYSON , BUT THEY WERE AGES APART IN BOXING YEARS. EVANDER WAS 5 YEARS OLDER THAN LENNOX WHEN THEY FOUGHT, AND LENNOX WAS 4 OR 5 YEARS OLDER THAN VITALI, SO IT IS ALL RELEVANT.
YOU DEFEND LEWIS SO MUCH IT REALLY BEGS THE QUESTION AS HOW TRULY GOOD WAS LENNOX LEWIS? HE NEVER BEAT A GREAT FIGHTER IN THEIR PRIME EXCEPT VITALI, AND I DON'T KNOW IF VITALI, CAN BE CALLED GREAT. TYSON BEAT A PRIME UNDEFEATED SPINKS AND HOLYFIELD BEAT A PRIME UNDEFEATED BOWE. WHO HAS LEWIS EVER TRULY BEATEN IN THAT CATEGORY? HE BEAT BOWE IN THE OLYMPICS WHEN THE REF STOPPED THE FIGHT ON ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. BOWE SHOOK LEWIS MORE IN THE FIRST ROUND THAN BOWE WAS SHOOK IN THE SECOND. LEWIS WAS A GREAT FIGHTER BUT NOT THE BEST OF AN ERA WITH TYSON AND HOLYFIELD.

Do you understand this. Do i have to put it in caps for all you English people to understand these simple truths?? I want to respect your opinions because some of you seem to have a decent boxing acumen, but you only see it one way because of your obssesion with your countries fighters. JUST BE OBJECTIVE OKAY.

He rubbed that brillo-pad he calls his hair all over Klitschko's eye in the clinches.

No it's not...Tyson was waaay past his prime when he fight LL, everybody was just too hyped up about it!! LL was at his best after he beat Tyson's ass, then he talked shit about Vitali, saying he is a no compitition....Vitali gave him the real challege for a big like LL, this was the real fight for LL, not Tyson, or Rahman, or any of these chumps....LL was sooo lucky to get away with this fight, and the pussy retired after the fight and he didn't give him the rematch!!

If u r a real champion, how can you leave on unfinished business like that!
I lost all respect to LL after this move..

To add, Vitali is the most unlucky champion ever, his only 2 losses
Byrd.....was winning 8 to 2 rounds when it was stopped because of his arm
LL.........was winning 6 to 2 rounds when it was stopped because of his eye

Vitali never realisticly lost, never been knocked down or out....

yeah....i remember that shit! what a big pussy

Lewis was chasing Tyson sicne day one, buddy. Lewis wanted to fight him when he was in his prime.

Take it you dont remember Tyson paying 4 million NOT to fight Lewis in 1996, Holyfield also pretended like Lewis didn't exist for most of the 90's and him and Don King tried their hardest to price themselves out of a fight with Lewis after the Tyson rematch, thats why it took another 2 years to finally get Holyfield in the ring in 1999, everyone knew the only fight out there was Lewis but Holyfield went for a rematch with Moorer.


So you comparing Lewis fighting Tyson to Vitali still calling out Lewis 3 years after he is retired is abit pathetic. And like I say, if Tyson, Bowe, and Holyfield had the balls then these fights would of been sorted out alot closer to their primes.


Also you make out that Lewis called out Tyson and everyone knew that Tyson was going to get dominated and knocked out by Lewis. Wasn't what the Tyson fans were saying for years before the fight was it ??

If Lewis is not as good as the fighters your mentioning then why did they all blatantly duck Lewis at some point in their careers.

I think your the one that needs to be objective.

This whole post carries nothing but opinion, biased at that. I should not even dignify this post with a response but I will because someone needs to set the record straight. Boxing is a business first just like any sport. Lennox Lewis was not a viable opponent because he did not generate $$$$$$$$$$ like the other fightetrs. Holyfield and Tyson generated almost 150 million for two fights while holy's rematch with Moorer needed to happen because of unfinished business and because it was a unification. IF LEWIS HAD NOT LOST TO MCCALL HE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THOSE FIGHTS. HE LOST BY ONE PUNCH TKO TO OLIVER AND LOST ALL CREDIBILITY AT THAT POINT. HE DID NOT REASTABLISH HIMSELF UNTIL HE BLEW OUT GOLOTA AND THAT WAS I BELIEVE IN 1996 OR 97.

You act like Lewis was just an innocent bysatnder in all this, but in reality all he had to do was make good on his own end. Holyfield lost to Bowe and Moorer, two good solid champions. Lewis lost to Tysons sparring partner who would lose that phony WBC tilte to none other than Frank Bruno!!!!!!!!!!!! Lewis lost to McCall. MCCALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was his fault the fights did not materialize cause he gave them a way out. King put tyson in vs a seemingly shot Holyfield because that was the fight people wanted. Who the heck was Lennox Lewis in the US at that time. Nobody cared about him. Don King was the another reason behind the matches not coming off because Lewis allowed it. Lewis did not have to take the 4 million did he???? Did he???????? He did, and again sold out.

How dare you talk about no balls and mention that with TYSON BOWE AND ESPECIALLY HOLYFIELD! These guys were all heart and all warriors and you want to tell me they were afraid of Britains bad Boy Lennox chessboy, tea drinking, suspected I wish to give you flowers because you make me feel so hot!, Lewis??? Are you crazy? Get a clue because you have none after making that statement.

And who the fook are you like


Everything that I say is fact, you go if's and but's and should of's. Face the facts man, if it was up to Lewis the Tyson, Bowe, Holyfield fights would of happened in the early to mid 90's. Instead you have Bowe who shit out totally, Tyson paid 4 million and gave up his belt, and Holyfield and Don King was wishing that Lewis would just somehow go away and die.


As for Vitali, I would love to know what alot of your oppinions would be if it was the other way round and Lewis was ahead on the cards and got stopped cos his face was hanging off. Oh by the way, ahead on the cards by ONE round in my book... 1st round, even, 2nd, 3rd and 4th I gave to Vitali. 5th and 6th were Lewis's and he was coming on strong and pushing Vitali all over the ring by the time of the stoppage, best punch of the fight was landed by Lewis and I think Lewis was on his way to stop vitali... the doctor stopping the fight actually gave people like yourself something to hang on to and waffle shit about.

Lewis should of took a rematch, but I wouldn't call him a " PUSSY " for retiring, he was nigh on 38 years of age and boxed since he was a kid, there is a right time to call it a day and I think that was it. People calling a fighter who beat every man he faced never ducked anyone in his career and was fighting at the top level for over a decade a " PUSSY " just proves the mentality of some people on here.

Did someone have a gun to his head and made him step aside to allow the Tyson Holyfield fight go on? Lewis showed more aggressiveness in the courtroom than against his opponents. He easily could have made that Tyson fight happen but he sold out just like Tyson did with King. He was like 2-0 in the courtroom victories so he definately would have made it happen if he wanted it. Thats something that always isn't written in black and white but yet it is still a fact.

your right boxing is a business a very dodgey business when you have got the likes of Don King involved, if you cant admit that Lewis was frozen out of the picture then whats the point in carrying on this discussion.

I suppose Bowe never ducked Lewis too, I suppose it was all business. Get real will ya lad. I was Tyson fan when I was a kid and followed it very closely, and now I can actually speak the truth and say Lewis was avoided and you clinging on to him getting beat by Mcall is why he never got a shot at Bowe, Tyson, and Holyfield earlier is complete joke. Especially considering Don King after the Mcall fight ran off with the title and showed no interest in giving Lewis the rematch.

Also just the fact you are talking about Lewis being British and sipping tea and playing chess etc ... Your a typical Yank hater that Ive dealt with on here 1000 times before, You just cant handle the fact that Lewis beat up all the US fighters in their back yards. Cos we were just talking boxing it was you that started waffleing about the pathetic steriotypes and him being British... Got nothing to do with what we are actually chatting about and just makes you come across like a hater.

Now Ive heard this shit before and your wrong, if Tyson didn't want to fight and give his No.1 challenger a title shot then that was that. Lewis took King and Tyson to court and won, so they had to pay 4 million or fight Lewis. They paid 4 million instead, so if Lewis didn't accept the 4 million it wouldn't of meant that the Tyson fight would of went a head, it would of meant he was throwing 4 million down the shit pan and the fight would not of happened.

Remember it was the judge that ruled if they were not willing to fight Lewis and give him his shot that 4 million he had to be compensated, if Tyson wanted that fight he would not of gave 4 million to Lewis for doing nothing, I mean I know Tyson was very rich but 4 million is alot of money to give someone for doing nothing.

And your right, Lewis did fight hard in the court room and so he should cos he was getting frozen out. King tried the same trick again after the 1st Rahman fight, tried to run off with the title and fight someone else like he did after the Mcall fight, but this time Lewis made sure it wasn't happening again and won again in court ... 2-0 to Lewis vs King ..


So once again your talking pure shit.

Lewis never stepped aside, he got compensated cos Tyson was not willing to fight him. If Lewis said " Im not taking the 4 million " that wouldn't mean the fight would of then happened. The ruling was that if Tyson was not willing to fight Lewis then by law Lewis had to be compensated you thicko.

Regardless of the ruling, the powers that be in boxing prevented the world from seeing these fights take place. It was not up to Tyson you fool. Don King made those decisions based on money, and if Lewis was a legitimate draw there would be no problem.. You forget, King never puts in one of his fighters against anybody unless he gets options in case they win. that is the price Holyfield paid to win his fight vs Tyson and LL could have gotten his shot if he gave King options in the first place. Lewis was still an accomplice to the fact. Face it America just don't acknowledge Lewis as any kind of draw. If his style was more entertaining and waS NOT SO SAFETY FIRST CAUSE OF HIS GLASS JAW THEN HE WOULD BE HELD IN HIGH ESTEEM OVER HERE.

Not considered a draw over there... dont make me laugh man, why was his fights always sell outs then and why are 3 fights that involve Lewis in the top 6 PPV's ever.

Also whats the excuse for Bowe throwing his title away ?? Also do you think the 4 million to pay Lewis came out of Kings pocket or Tyson's ??

Face facts, your hiding behind the fact that Don King didn't want to put his fighters in with lewis, So was it Rock Newman who didn't want to see his man in against lewis too, and Bowe never looked to get revenge for the Olympic finals and it was Lewis pushing for the fight.

No matter how you try and put some spin on it, Lewis was ducked and for very good reason to when you look how his career panned out.

HA HA.. You sound like Don King trying to cover ya ass.


Regardless of the ruling .... That ruling tells us everything about what we are talking about. Your trying to make out Lewis wasn't a draw but they are willing to throw 4 million not to fight him, sorry man but I dont care who you are you dont give someone 4 million especially someone you dont like for doing nothing. They seriously must of thought Lewis would beat Tyson or was the biggest threat.

Indeed, LL might have been tired, but he won.
Who cares if the big Klit was as fresh as a daisy at the end. He's mug got cut up and he got stopped. He didn't run into no lamp post. Those were punches that messed him up. Big lug is a loser. Even lost the election for Mayor of Kiev.
As for the small Klit, he'll soon get his head handed to him once he fights anyone more than 220 pounds.

are you forgetting yet another fact? Tyson was going for a tune-up fight before Lewis and Lewis sued him to prevent it. Remember that? Even though Tyson was an utter shell of what he once was, Lewis wanted him to be an inactive shell. He also knew what Tyson fans couldn't bring themselves to admit yet, that Tyson was totally shot, and the next guy that Tyson fought was going to knock him out. Lewis wanted that someone to be him, so that he could "say" that he beat Mike Tyson. When Roy Jones did this type of thing he was skinned alive. A little different standard for Lewis, though.

No your wrong again, Tyson always said the famous I need 2 or 3 more fights. There was talk of him fighting Mercer and Lewis thought Fook that if he fights Mercer theres a good chance he gets KOED. The Tyson-Lewis fight needed to happen, to much money in it not to happen. So considering Lewis had waited 6 years for Tyson to finally grow some balls, and he knew with Tyson 2 or 3 more tune up fights in the rate Tyson fights could mean about 2 years.

So it wasn't Lewis trying to get a inactive Tyson, it was Lewis totally fed up of waiting to finally silence all the haters, and when he got the chance he did shut them up in style. Get over it.

That rematch will probaly never happen,but if i was lennox i would be tempted to so i can shut drago up.anouther 1 up for europe yesterday with vlads win hopefully that will shrink the americans heads a bit,they need it.

James tony recently said there would never be a white heavyweight champion,no offence to tony because i like him because hes funny,but,ha ha ha theres 3 white heavyweight champions,he has to eat his words now,its are time to shine now boy, there soon could be a 4th white heavyweight when oleg maskaev defeats rahman,just admit it its the russian revolution in the heavy weight devision and theres that other russian guy i forget his name,hes bowling everybody over,hes the 1 with red hair,so white people enjoy are time shining instead of getting knocked out like we have for the last 50 years.thank god for the russians

A lot of shit being spilled here

Who ducked who, who paid who, who was fighting cos he was skint, tea sipping etc etc, i am not interested in that.

I will clarify my position which is clear.

Vitali needs to get over it, he is calling out Lennox three years after he retired and someone compared it to Lennox fighting Tyson.

Spin it however you wish, it is not the same at all. Whether he trained he hawaii, was uninterested, fighting for money, being forced to fight by the taxman or backers or whatever, the fact remains and cannot be changed by your hating or spinning, TYSON WAS ACTIVE, RANKED, CALLING OUT LEWIS and generally considered a test for a reigning champion.

Lennox was champ for a long time, retired at 38 years old, and has not given any indication that he wants to fight again. Vitali keeps calling him out when Lennox is a former fighter in every possible way you wish to translate the word.

So yes, i am correct, it is not the fooking same thing at all

That fight proved nothing to people who know boxing. It only proved something to weak minded fools like you who hold a double standard when it comes to English Boxers. Tyson needed a payday so he sacrificed himself. Lewis would have gotten ko'd if Tyson was still Tyson. Lewis was smart as he was manipulative. He knew Tyson was finished as any smart boxing fan. Tyson would have gotten beat by Mercer in the tune up anyway so what did it prove?

The guy was in prison, suspended, back in prison, all this after his prime was 1990. He was finished when he came out of prison. Lewis proved nothing to me because he never beat a great fighter in his prime. Holyfield, Bowe, and Tyson did.

you say that like it a fact, the same as "the sun will come up tomorrow" when it is actually just your opinion.

people are crazy at times, they constantly compare fighters from different years and say, x woulda beaten y easy as if there is no room for doubt.

If it was as easy as that, why can NO ONE accurately predict the result of every current match up?

You have done 35 posts yourself so far, and made just the ONE predication of a current fight, and you got that one wrong. So dont come here saying Lewis would have gotten KO'd like it is a fact. He MAY have got KO'd, he may not. Without a time machine, it is impossible to tell. Currently you are scoring 0-1 on predictions not needing that time machine so i suggest you simmer down a little and discuss like an adult

Vitali TKO 11 over Lewis
Wlad TKO 8 over Lewis

still think Lewis did a great job commentating on HBO, easily the best since Foreman.

right, vitali fought lewis and got stopped, that is a fact and it is in the record books, and cannot be changed.

Cuts or whatever, read my earlier posts, it is one of the ways of winning a bout, and he did.

end of discussion

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Lennox was finished, why can't you just accept the truth?? Oh you're british, i forgot!

Lennox was finished, why can't you just accept the truth?? Oh you're an english muffin, i forgot!

those couple of uppercuts would of took your head off. lennox was wearing vitali down later in the fight. vitali had his chance in beating lennox earley in the fight and he blew it.

well, i am not the one struggling to accept anything. I am coming here armed with facts, and those facts are that the ways to win a boxing match consist of outpointing, scoring a ten count KO or a TKO (retirement, ref intervention, or cut injury stoppage)
lewis achieved that, and I am pointing out that, a fact

you are coming here with OPINONS not based on proveable fact, and u think i am the one in denial?

ok.